From tlginsberg at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 10:12:37 2010
From: tlginsberg at yahoo.com (Tanya Ginsberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:12:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] questions about signage
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I have a similar issue with selling a condo in a high security building. ?They won't let anyone in unless they have been previously added to a security list. ?Which seems to kill the drive by traffic or do I just add Must Call ahead for admittance?

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Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] questions about signage
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 4:45 PM



 
 


I received almost all my responses from signs, and another local 5-day 
seller has had the same results.? I just put the ad from the book on the 
signs.? And there are sign laws here as well.? But, only one was taken 
down by security and no fine was imposed.
?
Best of luck,
?
Janet
?

In a message dated 12/31/2009 3:03:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
hurrison at hotmail.com writes:
Hi,

I live in an area where signage laws seem very 
  strict.? Does anyone have any recommendations on 1) making sure signs 
  stay up 2) not being fined 3) other methods to advertise on inspection 
  days?

Would also love any tips on most effective text for the 
  signs.

Thanks!

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From janetislight at aol.com  Fri Jan  1 20:12:45 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:12:45 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] questions about signage
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When they contact you in reference to the condo, I would just tell them to  
let you know what day they are coming by and add them to the list then.
 
Greatest of luck!
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2010 10:55:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
tlginsberg at yahoo.com writes:

I have a similar issue with selling a condo in a high  security building.  
They won't let anyone in unless they have been  previously added to a 
security list.  Which seems to kill the drive  by traffic or do I just add Must 
Call ahead for admittance?

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From:  Janetislight at aol.com <Janetislight at aol.com>
Subject: Re:  [5-DayForum] questions about signage
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Date: Thursday,  December 31, 2009, 4:45 PM


I received almost all my responses from signs, and another local  5-day 
seller has had the same results.  I just put the ad from  the book on the 
signs.  And there are sign laws here as  well.  But, only one was taken down by 
security and no fine was  imposed.
 
Best of luck,
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2009 3:03:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
hurrison at hotmail.com writes:

Hi,

I live in an area where signage laws seem  very strict.  Does anyone have 
any recommendations on 1) making  sure signs stay up 2) not being fined 3) 
other methods to advertise  on inspection days?

Would also love any tips on most  effective text for the signs.

Thanks!

Stacey

 
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From janetislight at aol.com  Fri Jan  1 20:22:37 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:22:37 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Selling Apartment Building with 5-day Method
Message-ID: <5b66.326f7f98.386ff9dd@aol.com>

Wow, that is one comprehensive site.  How are people going to find  it?  
What are using at tags to get people to this site?  BTW, on  the Bidding Rules 
you have some typos you might want to clean up.  If  anything, you might 
have too much information.  The pictures would be  better with a wide angle 
lens.  I think you can buy disposable ones now  that are also digital.
 
Greatest of luck to you in your sale.  Keep us posted.
 
Janet
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2010 10:59:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
scottrose1 at gmail.com writes:


Yes,  I am in the process of tying to Sell my Apartment Building with the 5 
day  sale.

Please check out my web site at

_scottarose.com_ (http://scottarose.com/) 

And let me know what  you think.

Thanks,

Scott  Rose


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From PJ323JP at aol.com  Sat Jan  2 23:29:58 2010
From: PJ323JP at aol.com (PJ323JP at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:29:58 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] questions about signage
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Greetings Stacey,
    Have you considered parking your car  in front your property and 
placing a sign on the roof?  I'm planning to do  something like that, perhaps 
parking on a busy intersecting street  corner. 
 
Peter 
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2009 1:03:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
hurrison at hotmail.com writes:

Hi,

I live in an area where signage laws seem very strict.   Does anyone have 
any recommendations on 1) making sure signs stay up 2) not  being fined 3) 
other methods to advertise on inspection days?

Would  also love any tips on most effective text for the  signs.

Thanks!

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From hurrison at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  3 11:25:07 2010
From: hurrison at hotmail.com (Stacey Harrison)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:25:07 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] questions about signage
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Great idea!  Thanks, I'll do that with both our cars.

From: PJ323JP at aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:29:58 -0500
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] questions about signage








Greetings Stacey,
    Have you considered parking your car 
in front your property and placing a sign on the roof?  I'm planning to do 
something like that, perhaps parking on a busy intersecting street 
corner. 
 
Peter 
 

In a message dated 12/31/2009 1:03:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
hurrison at hotmail.com writes:
Hi,

I live in an area where signage laws seem very strict.  
  Does anyone have any recommendations on 1) making sure signs stay up 2) not 
  being fined 3) other methods to advertise on inspection days?

Would 
  also love any tips on most effective text for the 
  signs.

Thanks!

Stacey


  
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From pj323jp at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 12:12:31 2010
From: pj323jp at aol.com (pj323jp at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:12:31 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] questions about signage
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In a message dated 1/3/2010 8:37:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
hurrison at hotmail.com writes:

Great  idea!  Thanks, I'll do that with both our cars.

 
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:29:58 -0500
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum]  questions about signage

Greetings Stacey,
    Have you considered parking your car  in front your property and 
placing a sign on the roof?  I'm planning to  do something like that, perhaps 
parking on a busy intersecting street  corner. 
 
Peter 
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2009 1:03:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
hurrison at hotmail.com writes:

Hi,

I live in an area where signage laws seem very  strict.  Does anyone have 
any recommendations on 1) making sure signs  stay up 2) not being fined 3) 
other methods to advertise on inspection  days?

Would also love any tips on most effective text for the  signs.

Thanks!

Stacey

 
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From pj323jp at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 12:16:39 2010
From: pj323jp at aol.com (pj323jp at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:16:39 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] questions about signage
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One word of caution.  Be prepared for wind.  Tie the sign's  supports down 
by running a piece of rope through the car doors. 
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2010 8:37:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
hurrison at hotmail.com writes:

Great  idea!  Thanks, I'll do that with both our cars.

 
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:29:58 -0500
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum]  questions about signage

Greetings Stacey,
    Have you considered parking your car  in front your property and 
placing a sign on the roof?  I'm planning to  do something like that, perhaps 
parking on a busy intersecting street  corner. 
 
Peter 
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2009 1:03:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
hurrison at hotmail.com writes:

Hi,

I live in an area where signage laws seem very  strict.  Does anyone have 
any recommendations on 1) making sure signs  stay up 2) not being fined 3) 
other methods to advertise on inspection  days?

Would also love any tips on most effective text for the  signs.

Thanks!

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From lgsimescu at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 11:14:06 2010
From: lgsimescu at yahoo.com (Lisa Simescu)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:14:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] Just read the book................
Message-ID: <265947.76685.qm@web59004.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I just bought and read the book.? I'm not sure how to use the forum.? I would like to know of anyone who's had a recent 5-day sale in this market and what their results were.? Any information would be great.? Also, how do I advertise to the people that are searching sites like Realtor.com and Zillow?? I think that's how a lot of people are finding their "favorite "neighborhood" listings in my area.? My neighborhood happens to be one of the local favorites, so I want to make sure I reach those buyers.
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From gigi at gigiestabrook.com  Sun Jan  3 16:17:53 2010
From: gigi at gigiestabrook.com (Gigi Estabrook)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:17:53 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Finding a 5-day consultant
Message-ID: <7595C151-BEB5-4C09-9FEB-A3ECA7749C64@gigiestabrook.com>

I have a house in Concord, MA, and I now live in Portland, OR.  My  
house has been on the market for 8 months, and the price has gone from  
$525K to $399K.  My contract with the broker is about to expire.

Because this will be my first 5-day sale and I am on the opposite  
coast, I would at least like to talk to someone about conducting the  
sale for me.  Google didn't produce any results.  Is there a source  
for this type of person?

Thanks.
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From southsms at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 17:57:38 2010
From: southsms at gmail.com (susan scheifley)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:57:38 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Finding a 5-day consultant
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Message-ID: <dfd29b5d1001031457n596823d1u5559cb2d5a983343@mail.gmail.com>

I live in NC and used to live in Boston. I would like to speak with someone
who has acted as a consultant to conduct the 5-day sale.I would like to
personaly like to conduct sales acting as a consult, so let me know if you
connect with someone.  I was told by a real estate investor that whoever
does the sale must have an equity interest in the property otherwise they
are acting as a real estste agent without a licence. The Invester
also informed me that he has put an option to purchase the property ($10
consideration) to comply with the ownership interest part.  Good luck and
let me know if I can help.
Susan

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Gigi Estabrook <gigi at gigiestabrook.com>wrote:

> I have a house in Concord, MA, and I now live in Portland, OR.  My
> house has been on the market for 8 months, and the price has gone from
> $525K to $399K.  My contract with the broker is about to expire.
>
> Because this will be my first 5-day sale and I am on the opposite
> coast, I would at least like to talk to someone about conducting the
> sale for me.  Google didn't produce any results.  Is there a source
> for this type of person?
>
> Thanks.
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From brentonwhipple at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  4 13:19:24 2010
From: brentonwhipple at hotmail.com (Brenton Whipple)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:19:24 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] 5-DayForum Digest, Vol 33, Issue 19
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I seem to remember that in the book Bill says that anytime will work except
for major holidays when people won't miss going to Grandma's to see a house.
While many people may have a date or time of year that they think is best,
it all depends on the buyer pool. There will always be a buyer pool at any
given time (certain number of folks that want to buy a home like yours). It
is constantly changing; new buyers coming in, others leaving because they
buy or decide not to buy. So the fact remains that you nor I nor anyone can
predict which buyer pool will pay the most for your home. So I would suggest
taking Bill's advice when he says in the Chapter "Now is the time-Pick a
Day, Any Day". He says basically that everyone has an opinion about the best
time to sell a home but that time might not be the best time for you. He
also gives an example of a homeowner that sold in the dead of winter with
more than 2 feet of snow. They sold in 5 days for exactly what they wanted. 

In other words, you can't possibly know when the buyer pool will be the
absolute most ideal, so you might as well pick a date that works well for
you and your family's schedule and situation rather than killing yourself
with anxiety over which day after or before the super bowl will be best.
Maybe the buyer who will pay most for your home doesn't like football. ;)

Good luck,

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From: PJ323JP at aol.com (PJ323JP at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:52:50 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] 5-DayForum Digest, Vol 33, Issue 19
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Greetings Brenton,
    Your reasoning is sound but there are indicators  which help any seller 
to know when there will be more buyers for a particular  area.  One of 
these is available inventory on the market.   
    I recently spoke with a very helpful title officer  who told me that 
the inventory in my area is relatively low right now, making  this a good time 
to find multiple buyers in the market.  I can confirm  his statement by 
checking the usual advertising sources for homes, _www.realtor.com_ 
(http://www.realtor.com)  as an example. 
 
Peter
 
 
In a message dated 1/4/2010 2:06:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
brentonwhipple at hotmail.com writes:

I seem  to remember that in the book Bill says that anytime will work except
for  major holidays when people won't miss going to Grandma's to see a  
house.
While many people may have a date or time of year that they think is  best,
it all depends on the buyer pool. There will always be a buyer pool  at any
given time (certain number of folks that want to buy a home like  yours). It
is constantly changing; new buyers coming in, others leaving  because they
buy or decide not to buy. So the fact remains that you nor I  nor anyone can
predict which buyer pool will pay the most for your home. So  I would 
suggest
taking Bill's advice when he says in the Chapter "Now is  the time-Pick a
Day, Any Day". He says basically that everyone has an  opinion about the 
best
time to sell a home but that time might not be the  best time for you. He
also gives an example of a homeowner that sold in the  dead of winter with
more than 2 feet of snow. They sold in 5 days for  exactly what they 
wanted. 

In other words, you can't possibly know when  the buyer pool will be the
absolute most ideal, so you might as well pick a  date that works well for
you and your family's schedule and situation  rather than killing yourself
with anxiety over which day after or before  the super bowl will be best.
Maybe the buyer who will pay most for your  home doesn't like football. ;)

Good  luck,

Brenton



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From brentonwhipple at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  5 17:43:52 2010
From: brentonwhipple at hotmail.com (Brenton Whipple)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:43:52 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Best time to sell
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6.1262710812.3317.5-dayforum@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
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Peter,

I will have to agree with you on that but I will clarify a bit more of my
thought. Here is my reasoning...

While more buyers in the buyer pool means a better chance of a higher sales
price because of demand, it doesn't necessarily mean that the smaller buyer
pool cannot contain buyers who will pay more for the home, thus increasing
your sales price over the bigger buyer pool. What I am saying is that there
are so many variables that no one could possibly predict which date will
produce the highest price. So if the timing that you move matters nothing to
you (which, I will say is pretty much never given circumstances behind
moving including job changes, deaths, divorces, growing family and even just
the desire to get into the new home) you can to play your odds shooting for
a time when there might be more buyers present, but, there's no guarantee
you're going to get more for the home then. 

Here are a few more variables: 
Maybe you notice that more homes sell in the spring so there are more total
buyers in the market and there are less buyers in the fall. But what if it
turns out that although you would have more total buyers in the market in
spring, there are more buyers looking for a home like yours in fall? So in
theory you may get a better price in September. But what if in September
home values have dropped 5% since Spring, will the possible higher sales
price exceed your 5% loss? 
Also lets say it's winter and the statistics are telling you that there will
be more buyers in the spring, 4 months away, and your holding costs on the
home (i.e. mortgage pmt, utilities, etc) are $2,000/mo. That is potentially
$8,000 that you are paying for a chance at a higher price. That may or may
not be a chance you want to take. 

Folks are always moving; spring, dead of winter, fall, summer, it doesn't
matter. So that's why I say (and why I think that Bill must have put it into
the book) that the date you perform your sale should probably weigh more
heavily on when you need or desire to move than when you "think" might be a
time that has more buyers. 

Brenton


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From riverpeace at mac.com  Tue Jan  5 23:53:53 2010
From: riverpeace at mac.com (Stacia Rivers)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:53:53 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
Message-ID: <4F052FEB-26A8-4AF5-9A32-9E125AC93D6A@mac.com>

Postlets have been mentioned and look great, but I am running into issues of including the 5 day info into their format.  Has anyone used a postlet?  How did you include "or best offer",  inspection and the bidding information needed for the 5 day sale?  I couldn't find examples from the archives.  Thanks.  Stacia

From tlginsberg at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 18:43:35 2010
From: tlginsberg at yahoo.com (Tanya Ginsberg)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
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Message-ID: <646259.52999.qm@web33405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

stacia, look for mine in palm beach

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com> wrote:

From: Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com>
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:53 PM

Postlets have been mentioned and look great, but I am running into issues of including the 5 day info into their format.? Has anyone used a postlet?? How did you include "or best offer",? inspection and the bidding information needed for the 5 day sale?? I couldn't find examples from the archives.? Thanks.? Stacia
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From riversfamily2 at msn.com  Wed Jan  6 19:59:53 2010
From: riversfamily2 at msn.com (S RIVERS)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:59:53 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
In-Reply-To: <646259.52999.qm@web33405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4F052FEB-26A8-4AF5-9A32-9E125AC93D6A@mac.com>,
	<646259.52999.qm@web33405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL124-W61769171672CB8E66E815E8710@phx.gbl>


Can't really find your postlet.  I looked at the Trulia and Zillow sites so far.  Any pointers?  Talked with an attorney today and he was worried I could get sued if I don't sell to a low ball bidder.  Gonna go against his advise and plow forward for next week.  I'm also going to make a lowball offer on the house I want in MN.  If I get that deal sewn up, I can afford the hit here.
Good Luck.
Stacia

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:35 -0800
From: tlginsberg at yahoo.com
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets

stacia, look for mine in palm beach

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com> wrote:

From: Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com>
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:53 PM

Postlets have been mentioned and look great, but I am running into issues of including the 5 day info into their format.  Has anyone used a postlet?  How did you include "or best offer",  inspection and the bidding information needed for the 5 day sale?  I couldn't find examples from the archives.  Thanks.  Stacia
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From Andy.Klee at ERPtips.com  Fri Jan  8 10:06:59 2010
From: Andy.Klee at ERPtips.com (Andy Klee)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:06:59 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
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I got the same advice and decided to state that the house would be sold to
the highest acceptable bidder.  I also told people that there was an
undisclosed reserve.  Everything worked out and I got 97% of what my reserve
price was and sold it for that.
  -----Original Message-----
  From:
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[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+andy.klee=erptips.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein
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  To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
  Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets


  Can't really find your postlet.  I looked at the Trulia and Zillow sites
so far.  Any pointers?  Talked with an attorney today and he was worried I
could get sued if I don't sell to a low ball bidder.  Gonna go against his
advise and plow forward for next week.  I'm also going to make a lowball
offer on the house I want in MN.  If I get that deal sewn up, I can afford
the hit here.


  Good Luck.


  Stacia


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:35 -0800
  From: tlginsberg at yahoo.com
  To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
  Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets

        stacia, look for mine in palm beach

        --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com> wrote:


          From: Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com>
          Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
          To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
          Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:53 PM


          Postlets have been mentioned and look great, but I am running into
issues of including the 5 day info into their format.  Has anyone used a
postlet?  How did you include "or best offer",  inspection and the bidding
information needed for the 5 day sale?  I couldn't find examples from the
archives.  Thanks.  Stacia
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From skyhighplanning at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 10:11:53 2010
From: skyhighplanning at gmail.com (SKY HIGH)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:11:53 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
In-Reply-To: <COL124-W61769171672CB8E66E815E8710@phx.gbl>
References: <4F052FEB-26A8-4AF5-9A32-9E125AC93D6A@mac.com>,
	<646259.52999.qm@web33405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CE799E10-4C1E-427E-9B4E-CAB870FF0103@gmail.com>

How can you get sued if you don't have a legal contract between you  
and the bidder until you accept the bid?

Good luck!

Carlos A. Chica
Sky High Planning, Inc.
Real Estate Solutions Co.
7380 Sand Lake Rd.  #500
Orlando, FL  32819
Office:  (407) 352-3220
Fax:      (407) 738-4816
Cell:      (646) 552-0107
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"It's kind of Fun to do the Impossible"

  -  Walt Disney

On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:59 PM, S RIVERS <riversfamily2 at msn.com> wrote:

> Can't really find your postlet.  I looked at the Trulia and Zillow  
> sites so far.  Any pointers?  Talked with an attorney today and he  
> was worried I could get sued if I don't sell to a low ball bidder.   
> Gonna go against his advise and plow forward for next week.  I'm  
> also going to make a lowball offer on the house I want in MN.  If I  
> get that deal sewn up, I can afford the hit here.
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Stacia
>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:35 -0800
> From: tlginsberg at yahoo.com
> To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
>
> stacia, look for mine in palm beach
>
> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com> wrote:
>
> From: Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com>
> Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
> To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:53 PM
>
> Postlets have been mentioned and look great, but I am running into  
> issues of including the 5 day info into their format.  Has anyone  
> used a postlet?  How did you include "or best offer",  inspection  
> and the bidding information needed for the 5 day sale?  I couldn't  
> find examples from the archives.  Thanks.  Stacia
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From bill at effros.com  Fri Jan  8 10:38:59 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:38:59 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
In-Reply-To: <COL124-W61769171672CB8E66E815E8710@phx.gbl>
References: <4F052FEB-26A8-4AF5-9A32-9E125AC93D6A@mac.com>,
	<646259.52999.qm@web33405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<COL124-W61769171672CB8E66E815E8710@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B475193.2070300@effros.com>

Stacia,

People who are attorneys are allowed to give legal advice about real 
estate law even if they don't really know the answer, and have never 
thought about it before.

Real estate professionals who are not attorneys know they cannot give 
legal advice except in specific instances regarding real estate.

Publishers' attorneys force writers to include disclaimers about 
anything they write that even resembles legal or real estate advice.

Here's what I'm allowed to tell you.  In 20 years of advocating the 
5-Day Method I have never heard of a successful suit brought against a 
private party for failing to close on a home advertised "Will be Sold 
Sunday Night to Highest Bidder."

In fact, I have never heard of an unsuccessful suit, nor have I heard of 
any suit ever filed, nor have I heard of any suit ever filed against a 
real estate professional using this technique.

I have heard of a few threats, but these never go anywhere because as 
soon as the buyers consult their attorneys they discover there is no 
basis for a suit, and that's the end of it.

Of course, people who use the method properly always offer the home to 
the high bidder, so there is never even a threat in these instances.

If you stick to simple Internet advertising you can know in a couple of 
hours whether or not you have a reasonable expectation for the sale of 
your home Sunday night.  If you don't get an overwhelming response to 
the unvarnished offer to sell your home to the high bidder starting at 
1/2 its current value, you stop the sale, and the issue of not selling 
it Sunday night never comes up.

If you do get 25 responses by Friday night--without sending clowns with 
cattle prods out into the street to round up bidders who actually 
believe you will sell your home for 1/2 its current value--you will sell 
it Sunday night for the high end of its current value.

It's really simple, and you seem to understand it.

In any case, Postlets will not solve your problem.  They may make you 
feel better by attracting more people, but they will not cause your home 
to sell for more money.

Bill Effros
Aurthor



S RIVERS wrote:
> Can't really find your postlet.  I looked at the Trulia and Zillow 
> sites so far.  Any pointers?  Talked with an attorney today and he was 
> worried I could get sued if I don't sell to a low ball bidder.  Gonna 
> go against his advise and plow forward for next week.  I'm also going 
> to make a lowball offer on the house I want in MN.  If I get that deal 
> sewn up, I can afford the hit here.
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Stacia
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:35 -0800
> From: tlginsberg at yahoo.com
> To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
>
> stacia, look for mine in palm beach
>
> --- On *Tue, 1/5/10, Stacia Rivers /<riverpeace at mac.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com>
>     Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
>     To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>     Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:53 PM
>
>     Postlets have been mentioned and look great, but I am running into
>     issues of including the 5 day info into their format.  Has anyone
>     used a postlet?  How did you include "or best offer",  inspection
>     and the bidding information needed for the 5 day sale?  I couldn't
>     find examples from the archives.  Thanks.  Stacia
>     _______________________________________________
>     5-DayForum mailing list
>     5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>     <http:///mc/compose?to=5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
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From PJ323JP at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 13:06:26 2010
From: PJ323JP at aol.com (PJ323JP at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:06:26 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
Message-ID: <c41.724d52d3.3878ce22@aol.com>

Greetings Bill,
    Thanks for the clear and concise explanation and  for relating it to 
your twenty years of experience.  This kind of  "legal" question must become a 
PIA for you, as often as it comes up, but it  really does help us novices 
to hear from you about it. 
 
Respectfully, Peter 
 
 
In a message dated 1/8/2010 7:39:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bill at effros.com writes:

Stacia,

People who are attorneys are allowed to give legal  advice about real 
estate law even if they don't really know the answer,  and have never 
thought about it before.

Real estate professionals  who are not attorneys know they cannot give 
legal advice except in  specific instances regarding real estate.

Publishers' attorneys force  writers to include disclaimers about 
anything they write that even  resembles legal or real estate advice.

Here's what I'm allowed to tell  you.  In 20 years of advocating the 
5-Day Method I have never heard  of a successful suit brought against a 
private party for failing to close  on a home advertised "Will be Sold 
Sunday Night to Highest  Bidder."

In fact, I have never heard of an unsuccessful suit, nor have  I heard of 
any suit ever filed, nor have I heard of any suit ever filed  against a 
real estate professional using this technique.

I have  heard of a few threats, but these never go anywhere because as 
soon as the  buyers consult their attorneys they discover there is no 
basis for a suit,  and that's the end of it.

Of course, people who use the method properly  always offer the home to 
the high bidder, so there is never even a threat  in these instances.

If you stick to simple Internet advertising you can  know in a couple of 
hours whether or not you have a reasonable expectation  for the sale of 
your home Sunday night.  If you don't get an  overwhelming response to 
the unvarnished offer to sell your home to the  high bidder starting at 
1/2 its current value, you stop the sale, and the  issue of not selling 
it Sunday night never comes up.

If you do get  25 responses by Friday night--without sending clowns with 
cattle prods out  into the street to round up bidders who actually 
believe you will sell  your home for 1/2 its current value--you will sell 
it Sunday night for the  high end of its current value.

It's really simple, and you seem to  understand it.

In any case, Postlets will not solve your problem.   They may make you 
feel better by attracting more people, but they will not  cause your home 
to sell for more money.

Bill  Effros
Aurthor



S RIVERS wrote:
> Can't really find  your postlet.  I looked at the Trulia and Zillow 
> sites so  far.  Any pointers?  Talked with an attorney today and he was  
> worried I could get sued if I don't sell to a low ball bidder.   Gonna 
> go against his advise and plow forward for next week.  I'm  also going 
> to make a lowball offer on the house I want in MN.   If I get that deal 
> sewn up, I can afford the hit  here.
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Stacia
>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:35 -0800
> From:  tlginsberg at yahoo.com
> To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> Subject: Re:  [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
>
> stacia, look for mine in palm  beach
>
> --- On *Tue, 1/5/10, Stacia Rivers  /<riverpeace at mac.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>   From: Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com>
>   Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
>      To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>      Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:53 PM
>
>      Postlets have been mentioned and look great, but I am running  into
>     issues of including the 5 day info into their  format.  Has anyone
>     used a postlet?  How  did you include "or best offer",  inspection
>      and the bidding information needed for the 5 day sale?  I  couldn't
>     find examples from the archives.   Thanks.  Stacia
>      _______________________________________________
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>    
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From janetislight at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 13:12:45 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:12:45 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
Message-ID: <5385.1c0ef6b4.3878cf9d@aol.com>

Ohhhhh with wonderfully simple legal world which attorneys try to make so  
difficult.  And please no one take this personally.  My attorney was  fine 
with everything.  Of course I use pre-paid legal so anything he does  for me 
he does at a discount, so he didn't want me to pay him to read the book  or 
draft a new method or anything.  All you say is no one is committed to  
anything until a contract is signed.  My advice, get a new attorney.   One that 
wants you to be successful.  You can give him the closing  business.
 
Greatest of Luck!
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/8/2010 9:01:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
riversfamily2 at msn.com writes:

Can't  really find your postlet.  I looked at the Trulia and Zillow sites 
so  far.  Any pointers?  Talked with an attorney today and he was  worried I 
could get sued if I don't sell to a low ball bidder.  Gonna go  against his 
advise and plow forward for next week.  I'm also going to  make a lowball 
offer on the house I want in MN.  If I get that deal sewn  up, I can afford 
the hit here.  


Good Luck.


Stacia

 
____________________________________
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:35 -0800
From: tlginsberg at yahoo.com
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum]  Using Postlets

stacia, look for mine in palm beach

--- On Tue,  1/5/10, Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com> wrote:


From:  Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com>
Subject: [5-DayForum]  Using Postlets
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Date: Tuesday,  January 5, 2010, 10:53 PM

Postlets have been mentioned and look great,  but I am running into issues 
of including the 5 day info into their  format.  Has anyone used a postlet?  
How did you include "or  best offer",  inspection and the bidding 
information needed for  the 5 day sale?  I couldn't find examples from the  archives. 
 Thanks.   Stacia
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From riversfamily2 at msn.com  Fri Jan  8 13:16:47 2010
From: riversfamily2 at msn.com (S RIVERS)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:16:47 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
In-Reply-To: <4B475193.2070300@effros.com>
References: <4F052FEB-26A8-4AF5-9A32-9E125AC93D6A@mac.com>, ,
	<646259.52999.qm@web33405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<COL124-W61769171672CB8E66E815E8710@phx.gbl>,
	<4B475193.2070300@effros.com>
Message-ID: <COL124-W29BF61EAC88ED9FC4C0D40E8700@phx.gbl>


Bill,

 

Thank you for your insight.

 

I am putting my faith in the process knowing that the odds are in my favor if I get the 25 calls.  If not, I will cancel my sale.  My sale is next week.  I appreciate all the help with everyone's responses.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Stacia
 
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:38:59 -0500
> From: bill at effros.com
> To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
> 
> Stacia,
> 
> People who are attorneys are allowed to give legal advice about real 
> estate law even if they don't really know the answer, and have never 
> thought about it before.
> 
> Real estate professionals who are not attorneys know they cannot give 
> legal advice except in specific instances regarding real estate.
> 
> Publishers' attorneys force writers to include disclaimers about 
> anything they write that even resembles legal or real estate advice.
> 
> Here's what I'm allowed to tell you. In 20 years of advocating the 
> 5-Day Method I have never heard of a successful suit brought against a 
> private party for failing to close on a home advertised "Will be Sold 
> Sunday Night to Highest Bidder."
> 
> In fact, I have never heard of an unsuccessful suit, nor have I heard of 
> any suit ever filed, nor have I heard of any suit ever filed against a 
> real estate professional using this technique.
> 
> I have heard of a few threats, but these never go anywhere because as 
> soon as the buyers consult their attorneys they discover there is no 
> basis for a suit, and that's the end of it.
> 
> Of course, people who use the method properly always offer the home to 
> the high bidder, so there is never even a threat in these instances.
> 
> If you stick to simple Internet advertising you can know in a couple of 
> hours whether or not you have a reasonable expectation for the sale of 
> your home Sunday night. If you don't get an overwhelming response to 
> the unvarnished offer to sell your home to the high bidder starting at 
> 1/2 its current value, you stop the sale, and the issue of not selling 
> it Sunday night never comes up.
> 
> If you do get 25 responses by Friday night--without sending clowns with 
> cattle prods out into the street to round up bidders who actually 
> believe you will sell your home for 1/2 its current value--you will sell 
> it Sunday night for the high end of its current value.
> 
> It's really simple, and you seem to understand it.
> 
> In any case, Postlets will not solve your problem. They may make you 
> feel better by attracting more people, but they will not cause your home 
> to sell for more money.
> 
> Bill Effros
> Aurthor
> 
> 
> 
> S RIVERS wrote:
> > Can't really find your postlet. I looked at the Trulia and Zillow 
> > sites so far. Any pointers? Talked with an attorney today and he was 
> > worried I could get sued if I don't sell to a low ball bidder. Gonna 
> > go against his advise and plow forward for next week. I'm also going 
> > to make a lowball offer on the house I want in MN. If I get that deal 
> > sewn up, I can afford the hit here.
> >
> > Good Luck.
> >
> > Stacia
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:35 -0800
> > From: tlginsberg at yahoo.com
> > To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> > Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
> >
> > stacia, look for mine in palm beach
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 1/5/10, Stacia Rivers /<riverpeace at mac.com>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com>
> > Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
> > To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:53 PM
> >
> > Postlets have been mentioned and look great, but I am running into
> > issues of including the 5 day info into their format. Has anyone
> > used a postlet? How did you include "or best offer", inspection
> > and the bidding information needed for the 5 day sale? I couldn't
> > find examples from the archives. Thanks. Stacia
> > _______________________________________________
> > 5-DayForum mailing list
> > 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> > <http:///mc/compose?to=5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> > http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/5-dayforum
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> > http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/5-dayforum
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From tlginsberg at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 23:39:13 2010
From: tlginsberg at yahoo.com (Tanya Ginsberg)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:39:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
In-Reply-To: <COL124-W29BF61EAC88ED9FC4C0D40E8700@phx.gbl>
References: <4F052FEB-26A8-4AF5-9A32-9E125AC93D6A@mac.com>, ,
	<646259.52999.qm@web33405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<COL124-W61769171672CB8E66E815E8710@phx.gbl>,
	<4B475193.2070300@effros.com>
	<COL124-W29BF61EAC88ED9FC4C0D40E8700@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <324290.54871.qm@web33402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stacia,
so far I've had 2 responses from Craigslist and none from postlets.? I have gotten 22 total (obviously they've come from the local papers), so I'm going ahead with the sale.




________________________________
From: S RIVERS <riversfamily2 at msn.com>
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 1:16:47 PM
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets

Bill,
?
Thank you for your insight.
?
I?am putting my faith in the process knowing that the odds are in my favor if I get the 25 calls.??If not, I will cancel my sale.??My?sale is next week.? I appreciate all the help with everyone's responses.
?
Warm Regards,
?
Stacia
?
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:38:59 -0500
> From: bill at effros.com
> To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
> 
> Stacia,
> 
> People who are attorneys are allowed to give legal advice about real 
> estate law even if they don't really know the answer, and have never 
> thought about it before.
> 
> Real estate professionals who are not attorneys know they cannot give 
> legal advice except in specific instances regarding real estate.
> 
> Publishers' attorneys force writers to include disclaimers about 
> anything they write that even resembles legal or real estate advice.
> 
> Here's what I'm allowed to tell you. In 20 years of advocating the 
> 5-Day Method I have never heard of a successful suit brought against a 
> private party for failing to close on a home advertised "Will be Sold 
> Sunday Night to Highest Bidder."
> 
> In fact, I have never heard of an unsuccessful suit, nor have I heard of 
> any suit ever filed, nor have I heard of any suit ever filed against a 
> real estate professional using this technique.
> 
> I have heard of a few threats, but these never go anywhere because as 
> soon as the buyers consult their attorneys they discover there is no 
> basis for a suit, and that's the end of it.
> 
> Of course, people who use the method properly always offer the home to 
> the high bidder, so there is never even a threat in these instances.
> 
> If you stick to simple Internet advertising you can know in a couple of 
> hours whether or not you have a reasonable expectation for the sale of 
> your home Sunday night. If you don't get an overwhelming response to 
> the unvarnished offer to sell your home to the high bidder starting at 
> 1/2 its current value, you stop the sale, and the issue of not selling 
> it Sunday night never comes up.
> 
> If you do get 25 responses by Friday night--without sending clowns with 
> cattle prods out into the street to round up bidders who actually 
> believe you will sell your home for 1/2 its current value--you will sell 
> it Sunday night for the high end of its current value.
> 
> It's really simple, and you seem to understand it.
> 
> In any case, Postlets will not solve your problem. They may make you 
> feel better by attracting more people, but they will not cause your home 
> to sell for more money.
> 
> Bill Effros
> Aurthor
> 
> 
> 
> S RIVERS wrote:
> > Can't really find your postlet. I looked at the Trulia and Zillow 
> > sites so far. Any pointers? Talked with an attorney today and he was 
> > worried I could get sued if I don't sell to a low ball bidder. Gonna 
> > go against his advise and plow forward for next week. I'm also going 
> > to make a lowball offer on the house I want in MN. If I get that deal 
> > sewn up, I can afford the hit here.
> >
> > Good Luck.
> >
> > Stacia
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:35 -0800
> > From: tlginsberg at yahoo.com
> > To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> > Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
> >
> > stacia, look for mine in palm beach
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 1/5/10, Stacia Rivers /<riverpeace at mac.com>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com>
> > Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
> > To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:53 PM
> >
> > Postlets have been mentioned and look great, but I am running into
> > issues of including the 5 day info into their format. Has anyone
> > used a postlet? How did you include "or best offer", inspection
> > and the bidding information needed for the 5 day sale? I couldn't
> > find examples from the archives. Thanks. Stacia
> > _______________________________________________
> > 5-DayForum mailing list
> > 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> > <http:///mc/compose?to=5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> > http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/5-dayforum
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 5-DayForum mailing list
> > 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> > http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/5-dayforum
> > 
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From sueburen528 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 14:57:15 2010
From: sueburen528 at yahoo.com (Suzanne Buren)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:57:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] subscribe please
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From janetislight at aol.com  Sat Jan  9 14:11:09 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:11:09 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
Message-ID: <12a12.6c845acf.387a2ecd@aol.com>

Right on!!!!
 
Keep us posted on your obvious success story!
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/8/2010 11:06:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
tlginsberg at yahoo.com writes:

 
Stacia,
so far I've had 2 responses from Craigslist and none from postlets.   I 
have gotten 22 total (obviously they've come from the local papers), so I'm  
going ahead with the sale.


 
____________________________________
 From: S RIVERS  <riversfamily2 at msn.com>
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 1:16:47  PM
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum]  Using Postlets

Bill,

Thank you for your insight.

I am putting  my faith in the process knowing that the odds are in my favor 
if I get the 25  calls.  If not, I will cancel my sale.  My sale is  next 
week.  I appreciate all the help with everyone's  responses.

Warm Regards,

Stacia

>  Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:38:59 -0500
> From: bill at effros.com
> To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> Subject: Re:  [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
> 
> Stacia,
> 
> People  who are attorneys are allowed to give legal advice about real 
> estate  law even if they don't really know the answer, and have never 
> thought  about it before.
> 
> Real estate professionals who are not  attorneys know they cannot give 
> legal advice except in specific  instances regarding real estate.
> 
> Publishers' attorneys force  writers to include disclaimers about 
> anything they write that even  resembles legal or real estate advice.
> 
> Here's what I'm  allowed to tell you. In 20 years of advocating the 
> 5-Day Method I  have never heard of a successful suit brought against a 
> private party  for failing to close on a home advertised "Will be Sold 
> Sunday Night  to Highest Bidder."
> 
> In fact, I have never heard of an  unsuccessful suit, nor have I heard of 
> any suit ever filed, nor have  I heard of any suit ever filed against a 
> real estate professional  using this technique.
> 
> I have heard of a few threats, but  these never go anywhere because as 
> soon as the buyers consult their  attorneys they discover there is no 
> basis for a suit, and that's the  end of it.
> 
> Of course, people who use the method properly  always offer the home to 
> the high bidder, so there is never even a  threat in these instances.
> 
> If you stick to simple Internet  advertising you can know in a couple of 
> hours whether or not you have  a reasonable expectation for the sale of 
> your home Sunday night. If  you don't get an overwhelming response to 
> the unvarnished offer to  sell your home to the high bidder starting at 
> 1/2 its current value,  you stop the sale, and the issue of not selling 
> it Sunday night never  comes up.
> 
> If you do get 25 responses by Friday night--without  sending clowns with 
> cattle prods out into the street to round up  bidders who actually 
> believe you will sell your home for 1/2 its  current value--you will sell 
> it Sunday night for the high end of its  current value.
> 
> It's really simple, and you seem to understand  it.
> 
> In any case, Postlets will not solve your problem. They  may make you 
> feel better by attracting more people, but they will not  cause your home 
> to sell for more money.
> 
> Bill  Effros
> Aurthor
> 
> 
> 
> S RIVERS  wrote:
> > Can't really find your postlet. I looked at the Trulia and  Zillow 
> > sites so far. Any pointers? Talked with an attorney today  and he was 
> > worried I could get sued if I don't sell to a low  ball bidder. Gonna 
> > go against his advise and plow forward for  next week. I'm also going 
> > to make a lowball offer on the house I  want in MN. If I get that deal 
> > sewn up, I can afford the hit  here.
> >
> > Good Luck.
> >
> >  Stacia
> >
> >  
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:35 -0800
> > From:  tlginsberg at yahoo.com
> > To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> > Subject: Re:  [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
> >
> > stacia, look for mine in  palm beach
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 1/5/10, Stacia Rivers  /<riverpeace at mac.com>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> >  From: Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at mac.com>
> > Subject:  [5-DayForum] Using Postlets
> > To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> > Date: Tuesday,  January 5, 2010, 10:53 PM
> >
> > Postlets have been  mentioned and look great, but I am running into
> > issues of  including the 5 day info into their format. Has anyone
> > used a  postlet? How did you include "or best offer", inspection
> > and the  bidding information needed for the 5 day sale? I couldn't
> > find  examples from the archives. Thanks. Stacia
> >  _______________________________________________
> > 5-DayForum  mailing list
> >  5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> >  <http:///mc/compose?to=5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>  >  
http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/5-dayforum
>  >
> >
> >  
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From: invite+kbgggegr at facebookmail.com (Patricia Lone)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:34:10 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Check out my photos on Facebook
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Hi 5-Day,

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:34:10 -0800
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From rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com  Sun Jan 10 10:55:24 2010
From: rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com (Raymond Chou)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:55:24 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] Looking for a consultant
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I am looking for a consultant to help me with a 5 day sale in the Milwaukee
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From sueburen528 at me.com  Tue Jan 12 14:22:25 2010
From: sueburen528 at me.com (Sue Buren)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:22:25 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] 5 day consultant
Message-ID: <B1893365-6B9D-492C-BFAE-77DF4604050E@me.com>

I sold our home using the 5 day method and would now like to help others do the same. For any consultants out there, would you contact me to share some do's and don'ts as I get started on this venture.
Many thanks!

From rlramjet at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 20:20:09 2010
From: rlramjet at gmail.com (Roger Rempert)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:20:09 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LEASING
Message-ID: <EDC84039DA7047458677ED5E6AE758A2@ROGERREMPERTPC>

HI, 
MY NAME IS ROGER REMPERT, I'VE RECENTLY BOUGHT BILL'S BOOK  BECAUSE  MY WIFE AND I ARE HAVING A GREAT DEAL OF TROUBLE  LEASING A COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING ( OVER A YEAR NOW ) THAT WE OWN IN THE PHOENIX AREA .

WE HAVE TRIED THE TRADITIONAL METHODS, .......NEWSPAPER ADS,  LEASING AGENTS, AND RENT REDUCTIONS TO NO AVAIL........

HAS ANYONE USED BILL'S  5 DAY AUCTION METHOD TO LEASE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY?, IF SO WHAT HAS YOUR EXPERIENCE BEEN ?
                                                THANKS,
                                                                ROGER REMPERT , 
                                                                                                 815 403-8701
                                                                                                                       RLRAMJET at GMAIL.COM
                                               
                                             
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From hsiclang at windstream.net  Wed Jan 13 21:34:42 2010
From: hsiclang at windstream.net (The Langs)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:34:42 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
Message-ID: <ECC6E73E1B044F67A39EB1EDB04B2462@MGI>

We have read Bill Effros' book with great interest and have decided to use
the 5-day method to sell our house.  We have two questions that we believe
this forum could help us with.

 

First, we have the opportunity to rent billboard space (!) to advertise our
sale.  Shouldn't be a problem, right?  We're in a pretty rural area and we
believe it would be money well spent.

 

Second, we would like to conduct the sale using a sealed bid approach,
leaving one week between the "public inspection" weekend and the following
weekend, when the bids must be received.  We then open the bids and work
from the highest down.  I know this is a departure from Bill's Round Robin
technique, but we don't necessarily need to get the highest price - just one
that covers what we owe on the house.

 

Thoughts?

 

Thanks for a great idea and the encouragement to do it!

 

Rich and Barb Lang

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From janetislight at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 23:52:02 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:52:02 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
Message-ID: <3d08b.3f128a3f.387ffcf2@aol.com>

This is in exact opposition to the whole theory of the 5-day method.   
Sealed bids are not in your best interest.  Of course you said you didn't  want 
to get the highest price, so this would be a sure way to make that come  
true.  As for the billboard...  I don't think that could hurt your  sale at 
all.  Can you rent them for just five days?  If so, seems they  would charge 
above normal rates for monthly and beyond advertisers.  How  much will this 
cost you?
 
I wish you the best of luck with your sale, but would hope you would stick  
truer to the tried and true method than putting your own spin on things.
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/13/2010 10:07:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
hsiclang at windstream.net writes:

 
We have read Bill Effros? book  with great interest and have decided to use 
the 5-day method to sell our  house.  We have two questions that we believe 
this forum could help us  with. 
First, we have the opportunity to  rent billboard space (!) to advertise 
our sale.  Shouldn?t be a problem,  right?  We?re in a pretty rural area and 
we believe it would be money  well spent. 
Second, we would like to conduct  the sale using a sealed bid approach, 
leaving one week between the ?public  inspection? weekend and the following 
weekend, when the bids must be  received.  We then open the bids and work from 
the highest down.  I  know this is a departure from Bill?s Round Robin 
technique, but we don?t  necessarily need to get the highest price ? just one 
that covers what we owe  on the house. 
Thoughts? 
Thanks for a great idea and the  encouragement to do it! 
Rich and Barb  Lang


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From riversfamily2 at msn.com  Thu Jan 14 00:07:15 2010
From: riversfamily2 at msn.com (Stacia Rivers)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:07:15 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
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I'm just done with my 1st day one, so I'm no expert....  But one of my  
buyers was pretty anxious about how to bid. The open method was  
reassuring to her.  I think it takes time for everyone to get  
comfortable with the process and open bidding helps.  I also think I  
sold a few books today:)

Stacia

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:52 PM, janetislight at aol.com wrote:

> This is in exact opposition to the whole theory of the 5-day  
> method.   Sealed bids are not in your best interest.  Of course you  
> said you didn't want to get the highest price, so this would be a  
> sure way to make that come true.  As for the billboard...  I don't  
> think that could hurt your sale at all.  Can you rent them for just  
> five days?  If so, seems they would charge above normal rates for  
> monthly and beyond advertisers.  How much will this cost you?
>
> I wish you the best of luck with your sale, but would hope you would  
> stick truer to the tried and true method than putting your own spin  
> on things.
>
> Janet
>
> In a message dated 1/13/2010 10:07:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, hsiclang at windstream.net 
>  writes:
> We have read Bill Effros? book with great interest and have decided  
> to use the 5-day method to sell our house.  We have two questions th 
> at we believe this forum could help us with.
>
>
>
> First, we have the opportunity to rent billboard space (!) to  
> advertise our sale.  Shouldn?t be a problem, right?  We?re in a  
> pretty rural area and we believe it would be money well spent.
>
>
>
> Second, we would like to conduct the sale using a sealed bid  
> approach, leaving one week between the ?public inspection?  
> weekend and the following weekend, when the bids must be received.   
> We then open the bids and work from the highest down.  I know this i 
> s a departure from Bill?s Round Robin technique, but we don?t  
> necessarily need to get the highest price ? just one that covers wha 
> t we owe on the house.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks for a great idea and the encouragement to do it!
>
>
>
> Rich and Barb Lang
>
>
>
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From bill at effros.com  Thu Jan 14 00:46:14 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:46:14 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Anyone in Australia
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Message-ID: <4B4EAFA6.5010705@effros.com>

I missed this one.

Yes, it's been used in Australia, but it seems to me the standard 
Australian home selling method is much closer to the 5-Day method than 
it is to the traditional US model.

Bill Effros
Author



Rosemarie Belcher wrote:
> Good luck with your sale!
> Please keep us up to date on how things work for you. I don't remember 
> seeing an Australian entry on the forum before, so this will be exciting!
> Rosemarie
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Jenni Snook <mailto:lordymaudie at hotmail.com>
>     *To:* 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>     <mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:50 PM
>     *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Anyone in Australia
>
>     Hello 5 day forum sellers
>      
>     I was just wondering if anybody in Australia has been using this
>     method.
>      
>     I'm in Mackay, Queensland and am planning on starting this WEdnesday.
>      
>     Cheers
>     Jenni
>
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From barrettai at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 09:34:34 2010
From: barrettai at aol.com (barrettai at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:34:34 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Looking for a consultant
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 Check out AuctionBySeller.com 

Kyle
www.AuctionBySeller.com  


 

 

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From: Raymond Chou <rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com>
To: 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:55 am
Subject: [5-DayForum] Looking for a consultant



I am looking for a consultant to help me with a 5 day salein the Milwaukeearea.  I am not in the area.

 
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From barrettai at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 09:58:08 2010
From: barrettai at aol.com (barrettai at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:58:08 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Anyone in Australia
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 Yes it is ... Australian Realtors have been auctioning off homes for decades in mainstream fashion.  That is, auctioning and/or 5 Day Sale is not perceived as a distressed sales methodology there.

Kyle 
www.AuctionBySeller.com
www.AuctionByAgent.com
www.AuctionByBuilder.com 

 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days <5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 11:46 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Anyone in Australia


    I missed this one.

Yes, it's been used in Australia, but it seems to me the standardAustralian home selling method is much closer to the 5-Day method thanit is to the traditional US model.

Bill Effros
Author



Rosemarie Belcher wrote:
        
Good luck with your sale!
  
Please keep us up to date on how things workfor you. I don't remember seeing an Australian entry on the forumbefore, so this will be exciting! 
  
Rosemarie
  
    
-----Original Message ----- 
    
From:    Jenni Snook 
    
To:    5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com    
    
Sent:Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:50 PM
    
Subject:[5-DayForum] Anyone in Australia
    

    
Hello 5 day forum sellers
 
I was just wondering if anybody in Australia has been using this method.
 
I'm in Mackay, Queensland and am planning on starting this WEdnesday.
 
Cheers
Jenni
    
    
 Australia's #1 job site IfIt Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK    
 
    
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From rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  Thu Jan 14 12:35:32 2010
From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com (Rosemarie Belcher)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:35:32 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
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The experience of those on this forum is that when folks depart from Bill's methods, the sale is a failure. Then they blame Bill!! If no one has tried what you are planning, then no one can really advise you about it. You are inventing a new system which may or may not work, rather than using a system which has worked many, many times. Why?
Good luck!
Rosemarie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Langs 
  To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:34 PM
  Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!


  We have read Bill Effros' book with great interest and have decided to use the 5-day method to sell our house.  We have two questions that we believe this forum could help us with.

   

  First, we have the opportunity to rent billboard space (!) to advertise our sale.  Shouldn't be a problem, right?  We're in a pretty rural area and we believe it would be money well spent.

   

  Second, we would like to conduct the sale using a sealed bid approach, leaving one week between the "public inspection" weekend and the following weekend, when the bids must be received.  We then open the bids and work from the highest down.  I know this is a departure from Bill's Round Robin technique, but we don't necessarily need to get the highest price - just one that covers what we owe on the house.

   

  Thoughts?

   

  Thanks for a great idea and the encouragement to do it!

   

  Rich and Barb Lang



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From bill at effros.com  Thu Jan 14 13:28:24 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:28:24 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Haiti
Message-ID: <4B4F6248.7000807@effros.com>

The sister of the former Prime Minister of Haiti is a personal friend.  
She lives in Florida, her brother  lives just outside Port-au-Prince, 
and currently has 23 people taking turns sleeping in 3 cars in the 
yard.  Yesterday they had neither food nor water.  Things look a little 
better today, judging from the following email:

Thank you for your prayers.  My brother and my nephews were able to 
reach their business at 5:00am today and got plenty of food and water 
for themselves and the family members staying with them.  They are now 
making more trips to supply the community around their house.  He told 
me that the people are wonderful and always give water and food first to 
their children, the teenagers always want to give their share to their 
mothers.

My brother asked that money be sent to the RED CROSS which is well 
organized and doing a great job in Haiti.  My family is in great spirit. 
Considering that we have about 400 members of our family in Haiti, 
brothers and sisters their children and grandchildren, Aunts and uncles, 
their children and grand children, and great grandchildren, we feel 
blessed that only my uncle Joe  (confirmed dead) and my cousin Yves 
(still haven't found his body) are the only ones not with us. 
 
My brother asked us to go about our daily routine and to continue 
praying for Haiti, and to send whatever money we can to the RED CROSS.  
So I am off to the Lowe Art Museum.
 
Love and Peace
 
Mona
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From janetislight at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 14:43:38 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:43:38 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Haiti
Message-ID: <bf7f.3b332b69.3880cdea@aol.com>

Prayers, peace and light to your friends and all suffering loss and pain at 
 this morning.  Such a poor country as it is and nowhere to go.  Thank  you 
for posting this and giving us a direction in which we go to help.
 
Comforting thoughts to you,
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/14/2010 12:29:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
bill at effros.com writes:

The sister of the former Prime  Minister of Haiti is a personal friend.  
She lives in Florida, her  brother  lives just outside Port-au-Prince, and 
currently has 23 people  taking turns sleeping in 3 cars in the yard.  
Yesterday they had neither  food nor water.  Things look a little better today, 
judging from the  following email:

Thank you for your prayers.  My brother  and my nephews were able to reach 
their business at 5:00am today and got  plenty of food and water for 
themselves and the family members staying with  them.  They are now making more 
trips to supply the community around  their house.  He told me that the people 
are wonderful and always give  water and food first to their children, the 
teenagers always want to give  their share to their mothers. 


My brother asked that money be sent to the RED CROSS which is well  
organized and doing a great job in Haiti.  My family is in great spirit.  
Considering that we have about 400 members of our family in Haiti, brothers  and 
sisters their children and grandchildren, Aunts and uncles, their children  and 
grand children, and great grandchildren, we feel blessed that only my  uncle 
Joe  (confirmed dead) and my cousin Yves (still haven't found his  body) 
are the only ones not with us.  
 
My brother asked us to go about our daily routine and to continue praying  
for Haiti, and to send whatever money we can to the RED CROSS.  So I am  off 
to the Lowe Art Museum.
 
Love and Peace
 
Mona  



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From bill at effros.com  Thu Jan 14 14:53:25 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:53:25 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Haiti
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Message-ID: <4B4F7635.3010708@effros.com>

Thanks, Janet,

B.



janetislight at aol.com wrote:
> Prayers, peace and light to your friends and all suffering loss and 
> pain at this morning.  Such a poor country as it is and nowhere to 
> go.  Thank you for posting this and giving us a direction in which we 
> go to help.
>  
> Comforting thoughts to you,
>  
> Janet
>  
> In a message dated 1/14/2010 12:29:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
> bill at effros.com writes:
>
>     The sister of the former Prime Minister of Haiti is a personal
>     friend.  She lives in Florida, her brother  lives just outside
>     Port-au-Prince, and currently has 23 people taking turns sleeping
>     in 3 cars in the yard.  Yesterday they had neither food nor
>     water.  Things look a little better today, judging from the
>     following email:
>
>     Thank you for your prayers.  My brother and my nephews were able
>     to reach their business at 5:00am today and got plenty of food and
>     water for themselves and the family members staying with them. 
>     They are now making more trips to supply the community around
>     their house.  He told me that the people are wonderful and always
>     give water and food first to their children, the teenagers always
>     want to give their share to their mothers.
>
>     My brother asked that money be sent to the RED CROSS which is well
>     organized and doing a great job in Haiti.  My family is in great
>     spirit. Considering that we have about 400 members of our family
>     in Haiti, brothers and sisters their children and grandchildren,
>     Aunts and uncles, their children and grand children, and great
>     grandchildren, we feel blessed that only my uncle Joe  (confirmed
>     dead) and my cousin Yves (still haven't found his body) are the
>     only ones not with us. 
>      
>     My brother asked us to go about our daily routine and to continue
>     praying for Haiti, and to send whatever money we can to the RED
>     CROSS.  So I am off to the Lowe Art Museum.
>      
>     Love and Peace
>      
>     Mona
>
>
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From jpanagi780 at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 09:48:16 2010
From: jpanagi780 at aol.com (John)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:48:16 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] 5 day consultant
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Hi Sue,

My home is in adult only Del Webb Community, one person has to be 50 or older , no children ,
Is this a problem? 
I could use any help you can provide

Thanks,

John Panagiotis
317-514-7699





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Sent: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 2:22 pm
Subject: [5-DayForum] 5 day consultant


I sold our home using the 5 day method and would now like to help others do the 
ame. For any consultants out there, would you contact me to share some do's and 
on'ts as I get started on this venture.
any thanks!
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From rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com  Thu Jan 14 12:15:59 2010
From: rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com (Raymond Chou)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:15:59 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] 5 day consultant
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Hi,

I would be interested in hiring you as a consultant for a very nice house in
the Milwaukee area.

Thanks,

Raymond Chou
Cell. 312-656-2696

-----Original Message-----
From: Sue Buren [mailto:sueburen528 at me.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:22 PM
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: [5-DayForum] 5 day consultant

I sold our home using the 5 day method and would now like to help others do
the same. For any consultants out there, would you contact me to share some
do's and don'ts as I get started on this venture.
Many thanks!



From stenney1 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jan 14 14:08:08 2010
From: stenney1 at austin.rr.com (Suzanne Tenney)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:08:08 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] Haiti
In-Reply-To: <4B4F6248.7000807@effros.com>
References: <4B4F6248.7000807@effros.com>
Message-ID: <E10E3A641F9244C69BCC4A5073E63C60@YOUR641C36E866>

Dear Bill,

 

Thank you for sharing this email.  My thoughts and prayers go out to Mona
and her family as well as all of the people in Haiti.  The devastation that
these people are facing certainly makes me put my personal challenges into
perspective, which are insignificant in comparison. 

 

Sincerely,

 

Suzanne T

 

  _____  

From:
5-dayforum-bounces+stenney1=austin.rr.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.c
om
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+stenney1=austin.rr.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomei
n5days.com] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:28 PM
To: 5-DayForum
Subject: [5-DayForum] Haiti

 

The sister of the former Prime Minister of Haiti is a personal friend.  She
lives in Florida, her brother  lives just outside Port-au-Prince, and
currently has 23 people taking turns sleeping in 3 cars in the yard.
Yesterday they had neither food nor water.  Things look a little better
today, judging from the following email:

Thank you for your prayers.  My brother and my nephews were able to reach
their business at 5:00am today and got plenty of food and water for
themselves and the family members staying with them.  They are now making
more trips to supply the community around their house.  He told me that the
people are wonderful and always give water and food first to their children,
the teenagers always want to give their share to their mothers. 

My brother asked that money be sent to the RED CROSS which is well organized
and doing a great job in Haiti.  My family is in great spirit. Considering
that we have about 400 members of our family in Haiti, brothers and sisters
their children and grandchildren, Aunts and uncles, their children and grand
children, and great grandchildren, we feel blessed that only my uncle Joe
(confirmed dead) and my cousin Yves (still haven't found his body) are the
only ones not with us.  

 

My brother asked us to go about our daily routine and to continue praying
for Haiti, and to send whatever money we can to the RED CROSS.  So I am off
to the Lowe Art Museum.

 

Love and Peace

 

Mona 

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From tomhoffman at live.com  Thu Jan 14 19:33:16 2010
From: tomhoffman at live.com (Tom Hoffman)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:33:16 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
In-Reply-To: <EB51BC931AC74C889176F21C3B8FD128@rosemarifv6onv>
References: <ECC6E73E1B044F67A39EB1EDB04B2462@MGI>,
	<EB51BC931AC74C889176F21C3B8FD128@rosemarifv6onv>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W35BFC8509C3ABC24DCE21B0690@phx.gbl>


Dear Rich & Barb,

The billboard thing could be a good idea if the ads are similiar to the  ads in the paper or as illustrated in the book.

The idea of a sealed bid in my opinion is a real loser. The beauty of the 5 day sale is the transparency and all of the bidders can see they are actually bidding against real people. I believe you would have a very hard sell trying to get the bidding up.

Rosemarie is right. Stick to the tried and true.

Sincerely,

Tom Hoffman

 
 


From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:35:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Here we go!




The experience of those on this forum is that when folks depart from Bill's methods, the sale is a failure. Then they blame Bill!! If no one has tried what you are planning, then no one can really advise you about it. You are inventing a new system which may or may not work, rather than using a system which has worked many, many times. Why?
Good luck!
Rosemarie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: The Langs 
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:34 PM
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!



We have read Bill Effros? book with great interest and have decided to use the 5-day method to sell our house.  We have two questions that we believe this forum could help us with.
 
First, we have the opportunity to rent billboard space (!) to advertise our sale.  Shouldn?t be a problem, right?  We?re in a pretty rural area and we believe it would be money well spent.
 
Second, we would like to conduct the sale using a sealed bid approach, leaving one week between the ?public inspection? weekend and the following weekend, when the bids must be received.  We then open the bids and work from the highest down.  I know this is a departure from Bill?s Round Robin technique, but we don?t necessarily need to get the highest price ? just one that covers what we owe on the house.
 
Thoughts?
 
Thanks for a great idea and the encouragement to do it!
 
Rich and Barb Lang

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From riverpeace at me.com  Fri Jan 15 08:50:57 2010
From: riverpeace at me.com (Stacia Rivers)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:50:57 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] Help
Message-ID: <1BEDE8D4-5F64-431C-884B-47CE6B3A1ED1@me.com>

Day 3 of my sale and I messed up my craigs list ad.  

I'm at 19 contacts so far, but most have been from Craigslist.  8 only by press ad. I had trouble adding postlet and deleted my ad to repost correctly.  Now I can't get reposted probably because I'm flagged.  I waited two days to get a reponse from the Craigs list email before attempting this reposting on my own.  I waited until after the time given to repost.  I sent another request for help from Craigs list, but email doesn't seem to work.  I can't postpone and do this sale again.  I'd have to list with an agent next week.  I have family that drove hours to get here to help me with my sale.  

Does anyone know how to TALK with Criag's list?  Other suggestions?

Yikes,

Stacia

From Andy.Klee at ERPtips.com  Fri Jan 15 09:28:53 2010
From: Andy.Klee at ERPtips.com (Andy Klee)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:28:53 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Help
In-Reply-To: <1BEDE8D4-5F64-431C-884B-47CE6B3A1ED1@me.com>
Message-ID: <LJEOJANGFMFLOLOODJFGGEPLHOAA.Andy.Klee@ERPtips.com>

Try emailing Craig at craigslist.com.  Craig Newmark actually reads his emails
and responds to many of them directly.

-----Original Message-----
From:
5-dayforum-bounces+andy.klee=erptips.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5day
s.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+andy.klee=erptips.com at mailman.howtosellyourho
mein5days.com]On Behalf Of Stacia Rivers
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:51 AM
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: [5-DayForum] Help


Day 3 of my sale and I messed up my craigs list ad.

I'm at 19 contacts so far, but most have been from Craigslist.  8 only by
press ad. I had trouble adding postlet and deleted my ad to repost
correctly.  Now I can't get reposted probably because I'm flagged.  I waited
two days to get a reponse from the Craigs list email before attempting this
reposting on my own.  I waited until after the time given to repost.  I sent
another request for help from Craigs list, but email doesn't seem to work.
I can't postpone and do this sale again.  I'd have to list with an agent
next week.  I have family that drove hours to get here to help me with my
sale.

Does anyone know how to TALK with Criag's list?  Other suggestions?

Yikes,

Stacia
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From bill at effros.com  Fri Jan 15 09:43:14 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:43:14 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Help
In-Reply-To: <1BEDE8D4-5F64-431C-884B-47CE6B3A1ED1@me.com>
References: <1BEDE8D4-5F64-431C-884B-47CE6B3A1ED1@me.com>
Message-ID: <4B507F02.3030604@effros.com>


Stacia,

For all practical purposes it's impossible to talk to Craig's list.

Clear out your old Craigslist ad.  Post a brand new one, without any 
links or tricks of any kind.

It doesn't matter if it gets in today, tomorrow, or Sunday -- it will 
work just as well any day, and will ensure all the real buyers show up 
to bid against each other.

The number of responses you have already received indicates buyers think 
you have a realistic understanding of what your home will bring, and 
that you really intend to sell it to the high bidder Sunday night.  Play 
fair and you will get the highest possible bid Sunday night.  The 3 real 
buyers have already seen your ads.

Join this list before posting again so I can clear your "moderator" 
flag, and you can post directly to the list without going through me.  
You can drop off the list or go on "vacation" (so you don't lose your 
posting rights) as easily as you can get on the list.  I don't save the 
names, I don't sell them to anyone else, it's just a convenience for 
you, and allows you to email back and forth with all the people on the 
list without waiting for me to clear everything.

Bill Effros
Author
List Administrator

Stacia Rivers wrote:
> Day 3 of my sale and I messed up my craigs list ad.  
>
> I'm at 19 contacts so far, but most have been from Craigslist.  8 only by press ad. I had trouble adding postlet and deleted my ad to repost correctly.  Now I can't get reposted probably because I'm flagged.  I waited two days to get a reponse from the Craigs list email before attempting this reposting on my own.  I waited until after the time given to repost.  I sent another request for help from Craigs list, but email doesn't seem to work.  I can't postpone and do this sale again.  I'd have to list with an agent next week.  I have family that drove hours to get here to help me with my sale.  
>
> Does anyone know how to TALK with Criag's list?  Other suggestions?
>
> Yikes,
>
> Stacia
> _______________________________________________
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>
>   

From southsms at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 10:00:07 2010
From: southsms at gmail.com (susan scheifley)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:00:07 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] selling as a consultant not a RE broker
Message-ID: <dfd29b5d1001150700w569e4b01s74966cb8044c078e@mail.gmail.com>

I want to obtain some clarilty about conducting 5-day sales on behalf of a
property owner. The issue I'am trying to clarify is I want to be able to act
as a consultant and I am not a real estate broker. I was told by a seasoned
RE investor who has successfuly used the 5-Day method, that if you have an
equity interest in the property that would make it legal. The investor
places an option agreement on the property for a nominal fee. Feedback
please
Susan
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From rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 15 10:24:07 2010
From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com (Rosemarie Belcher)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:07 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] selling as a consultant not a RE broker
References: <dfd29b5d1001150700w569e4b01s74966cb8044c078e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F94C241964047B6BAB5DC40F4F6215E@rosemarifv6onv>

There has been a whole lot of discussion about this on the forum. You can access it in the archives. Unfortunately a lot of times the subject of the post does not reflect the actual topic, so you may have to do some digging. Of course, if you are going to be an expert on this that will not be a bad thing!
Real estate laws differ from state to state. I have heard - here and elsewhere that if you have an equitable interest (like an option) in a property you can sell it without running up against the realtor rules, but you need to check with a broker or a lawyer in your state. It might help if we knew where you are from, so that someone from there might give you advice.
Good luck!
Rosemarie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: susan scheifley 
  To: 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:00 AM
  Subject: [5-DayForum] selling as a consultant not a RE broker


  I want to obtain some clarilty about conducting 5-day sales on behalf of a property owner. The issue I'am trying to clarify is I want to be able to act as a consultant and I am not a real estate broker. I was told by a seasoned RE investor who has successfuly used the 5-Day method, that if you have an equity interest in the property that would make it legal. The investor places an option agreement on the property for a nominal fee. Feedback please
  Susan


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From seriousproperty at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 10:29:46 2010
From: seriousproperty at gmail.com (Serious Property Solutions)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:29:46 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Help
In-Reply-To: <1BEDE8D4-5F64-431C-884B-47CE6B3A1ED1@me.com>
References: <1BEDE8D4-5F64-431C-884B-47CE6B3A1ED1@me.com>
Message-ID: <b41276ff1001150729h41d9db59nb361646927f4f7cd@mail.gmail.com>

The solution is quite simple! Create a new e-mail account and post your ad
from that address. You won't have worry about getting flagged as the filter
system won't recognize the different address.

Hope this helps. Best of luck with your sale!

Kate

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Stacia Rivers <riverpeace at me.com> wrote:

> Day 3 of my sale and I messed up my craigs list ad.
>
> I'm at 19 contacts so far, but most have been from Craigslist.  8 only by
> press ad. I had trouble adding postlet and deleted my ad to repost
> correctly.  Now I can't get reposted probably because I'm flagged.  I waited
> two days to get a reponse from the Craigs list email before attempting this
> reposting on my own.  I waited until after the time given to repost.  I sent
> another request for help from Craigs list, but email doesn't seem to work.
>  I can't postpone and do this sale again.  I'd have to list with an agent
> next week.  I have family that drove hours to get here to help me with my
> sale.
>
> Does anyone know how to TALK with Criag's list?  Other suggestions?
>
> Yikes,
>
> Stacia
> _______________________________________________
> 5-DayForum mailing list
> 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
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From southsms at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 10:36:09 2010
From: southsms at gmail.com (susan scheifley)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:36:09 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] selling as a consultant not a RE broker
In-Reply-To: <8F94C241964047B6BAB5DC40F4F6215E@rosemarifv6onv>
References: <dfd29b5d1001150700w569e4b01s74966cb8044c078e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8F94C241964047B6BAB5DC40F4F6215E@rosemarifv6onv>
Message-ID: <dfd29b5d1001150736u4e9a0dc4q43b34c5164f24b69@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking to do business in South carolina and possibly North Carolina.
Susan

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Rosemarie Belcher <
rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com> wrote:

>  There has been a whole lot of discussion about this on the forum. You can
> access it in the archives. Unfortunately a lot of times the subject of the
> post does not reflect the actual topic, so you may have to do some digging.
> Of course, if you are going to be an expert on this that will not be a bad
> thing!
> Real estate laws differ from state to state. I have heard - here and
> elsewhere that if you have an equitable interest (like an option) in a
> property you can sell it without running up against the realtor rules, but
> you need to check with a broker or a lawyer in your state. It might help if
> we knew where you are from, so that someone from there might give you
> advice.
> Good luck!
> Rosemarie
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* susan scheifley <southsms at gmail.com>
> *To:* 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2010 10:00 AM
> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] selling as a consultant not a RE broker
>
> I want to obtain some clarilty about conducting 5-day sales on behalf of a
> property owner. The issue I'am trying to clarify is I want to be able to act
> as a consultant and I am not a real estate broker. I was told by a seasoned
> RE investor who has successfuly used the 5-Day method, that if you have an
> equity interest in the property that would make it legal. The investor
> places an option agreement on the property for a nominal fee. Feedback
> please
> Susan
>
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From rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 15 10:41:45 2010
From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com (Rosemarie Belcher)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:41:45 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Help
References: <1BEDE8D4-5F64-431C-884B-47CE6B3A1ED1@me.com>
Message-ID: <02A5BD4CC276470FB6D450AE1693ECC8@rosemarifv6onv>

Being aware that if you don't have 25 responses that your sale will probably 
not work, and understanding that this is an emergency for you, I would 
suggest signs. You can buy corrugated sign material and H-brackets quite 
cheaply, and big markers. Put very little on there - people can't read 
details while driving. Maybe, for example,  "4 bedrooms, $49,900" and a big 
arrow. Put them up early Saturday morning on all the roads coming in to the 
house. Make them all the same so people will be following a trail. Put the 
last one in front of the house. Maybe that one should be a replica of the 
print ad, so people will know before they come that there is a bidding 
process.
I wish you the best - let us know!
Rosemarie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stacia Rivers" <riverpeace at me.com>
To: <5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:50 AM
Subject: [5-DayForum] Help


> Day 3 of my sale and I messed up my craigs list ad.
>
> I'm at 19 contacts so far, but most have been from Craigslist.  8 only by 
> press ad. I had trouble adding postlet and deleted my ad to repost 
> correctly.  Now I can't get reposted probably because I'm flagged.  I 
> waited two days to get a reponse from the Craigs list email before 
> attempting this reposting on my own.  I waited until after the time given 
> to repost.  I sent another request for help from Craigs list, but email 
> doesn't seem to work.  I can't postpone and do this sale again.  I'd have 
> to list with an agent next week.  I have family that drove hours to get 
> here to help me with my sale.
>
> Does anyone know how to TALK with Criag's list?  Other suggestions?
>
> Yikes,
>
> Stacia
> _______________________________________________
> 5-DayForum mailing list
> 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/5-dayforum
> 



From janetislight at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 12:01:52 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:01:52 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] selling as a consultant not a RE broker
Message-ID: <2325f.74a7559b.3881f980@aol.com>

That's the way to do it!
 
Best of Luck!!!

Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/15/2010 9:01:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
southsms at gmail.com writes:

I want to obtain some clarilty about conducting 5-day sales on behalf of  a 
property owner. The issue I'am trying to clarify is I want to be able to 
act  as a consultant and I am not a real estate broker. I was told by a 
seasoned RE  investor who has successfuly used the 5-Day method, that if you have 
an equity  interest in the property that would make it legal. The investor 
places an  option agreement on the property for a nominal fee. Feedback please
Susan


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From gerrycox at peoplepc.com  Fri Jan 15 11:13:43 2010
From: gerrycox at peoplepc.com (Gerry Cox)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:13:43 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] selling as a consultant not a RE broker
In-Reply-To: <8F94C241964047B6BAB5DC40F4F6215E@rosemarifv6onv>
References: <dfd29b5d1001150700w569e4b01s74966cb8044c078e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8F94C241964047B6BAB5DC40F4F6215E@rosemarifv6onv>
Message-ID: <001201ca95fd$b5b73df0$2125b9d0$@com>

On the same note, some people do a 5-day sale with a buy contract with a
Termination Option. When a buyer is found, the contract is assigned to the
buyer. 

 

Assignments are done by investors all the time and there's no discussion
about equitable interest or needing to be an agent. Can anyone clarify? 

 

Thanks!

Gerry

 

From:
5-dayforum-bounces+gerrycox=peoplepc.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.co
m
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+gerrycox=peoplepc.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein
5days.com] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Belcher
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:24 AM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] selling as a consultant not a RE broker

 

There has been a whole lot of discussion about this on the forum. You can
access it in the archives. Unfortunately a lot of times the subject of the
post does not reflect the actual topic, so you may have to do some digging.
Of course, if you are going to be an expert on this that will not be a bad
thing!

Real estate laws differ from state to state. I have heard - here and
elsewhere that if you have an equitable interest (like an option) in a
property you can sell it without running up against the realtor rules, but
you need to check with a broker or a lawyer in your state. It might help if
we knew where you are from, so that someone from there might give you
advice.

Good luck!

Rosemarie

----- Original Message ----- 

From: susan scheifley <mailto:southsms at gmail.com>  

To: 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:00 AM

Subject: [5-DayForum] selling as a consultant not a RE broker

 

I want to obtain some clarilty about conducting 5-day sales on behalf of a
property owner. The issue I'am trying to clarify is I want to be able to act
as a consultant and I am not a real estate broker. I was told by a seasoned
RE investor who has successfuly used the 5-Day method, that if you have an
equity interest in the property that would make it legal. The investor
places an option agreement on the property for a nominal fee. Feedback
please

Susan

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From: pkreader at earthlink.net (Paul Kreader)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:00:51 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to appraisal
	/ "worth"
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Greetings

 

I had been currently studying up on the 5 day auction process in order to
auction my home in a few weeks.

Independent of this, after many months of traditional marketing I have
received an offer and am in negotiations, but am reluctant to give too much
on price especially considering the prospects of a strong sales price via a
5 day auction. The price on the table is 10% below appraisal.

 

It has been duly noted that one will get 100% of the property's worth via
the auction. Can those who have sold their home via the auction comment on
the strength of this statement in the current sales climate? Auctioning
sellers are consistently seeing 100% of appraised value (assuming appraisal
is valid)?

 

Thank you kindly for your input.

 

Paul

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From jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 15:58:53 2010
From: jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com (James Fleming)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:58:53 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to
	appraisal/ "worth"
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Paul,

 

The 5-Day Method will generate offers from the people who happen to be in
the market for a home like yours, on the week that you conduct the 5-day
sale, who happen to see your advertising that week, who happen to be
available to bid that weekend, and who like your house enough to participate
in the round robin.  The price you generate will be the best that can be
garnered from that very small group of people that weekend.  To think that
you are likely to get the true market value for your house from such a small
sampling of the buyer population in such a small window of time is pure
wishful thinking - particularly in this economy.  You are likely to be
disappointed if that is your overriding goal.  You may not be, but you are
likely to be.  On the other hand, if your goal is to sell in 5 days, and you
are a man of your word and will offer the house to the highest bidder no
matter what the high bid is, there isn't a better system anywhere.  You
cannot fail if that is your standard.  

 

When the market was going up up up 3 to 4 years ago, this method achieved
both goals - sales were fast and bids were market value and above.  The
method is still unmatched when you need to sell fast, but the prices it
achieves are all over the board.  In your case, you have an offer that is
10% below your appraisal.  You didn't mention how old that appraisal is, but
if it is 60 days old or older, it is probably in need of updating.  Either
way, if I were in your situation, I would let your buyers know that you are
considering an auction.  Give them the opportunity to pre-empt the auction
by giving you their highest and best offer.  They may surprise you.  But
even if they don't, you have a bird in the hand..

 

Best of luck, and congrats for getting an excellent offer in this down
market.

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 

 

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Subject: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to appraisal/
"worth"

 

Greetings

 

I had been currently studying up on the 5 day auction process in order to
auction my home in a few weeks.

Independent of this, after many months of traditional marketing I have
received an offer and am in negotiations, but am reluctant to give too much
on price especially considering the prospects of a strong sales price via a
5 day auction. The price on the table is 10% below appraisal.

 

It has been duly noted that one will get 100% of the property's worth via
the auction. Can those who have sold their home via the auction comment on
the strength of this statement in the current sales climate? Auctioning
sellers are consistently seeing 100% of appraised value (assuming appraisal
is valid)?

 

Thank you kindly for your input.

 

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From lbicon at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 16:22:06 2010
From: lbicon at aol.com (lbicon at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:22:06 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to
 appraisal/ "worth"
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Hi James,

Great imput.

 Paul,
Here are my two cents. I have completed a ton of these sales since 2004.
1. An appraisal is usually the BEST case scenario for pricing on a property. An offer within 10% appraisal in this market is fair. What was the purpose of the appraisal? I could have 5 appraisers appraise a property in a given week and have the appraisal come in with a 5-10% variation from the appraiser. Especially in a neighborhhod that is not a tract or cookie cutter.
2. Home sales are always a function of market time and exposure. Since the 5 day method is set up to create a sense of urgency in buyers, you will get the highest offer that you could expect from the amount of exposure that the property gets that weekend. Most successful sellers using the method in this market have a realistic expectation about what the home will sell for.

Best of Luck,

Conrad Kuiken - Investor, Realtor, Loan Officer








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From: James Fleming <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>
To: 'How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days' <5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to appraisal/ "worth"



Paul,
 
The 5-Day Method will generate offers from the people who happen to be in the market for a home like yours, on the week that you conduct the 5-day sale, who happen to see your advertising that week, who happen to be available to bid that weekend, and who like your house enough to participate in the round robin.  The price you generate will be the best that can be garnered from that very small group of people that weekend.  To think that you are likely to get the true market value for your house from such a small sampling of the buyer population in such a small window of time is pure wishful thinking ? particularly in this economy.  You are likely to be disappointed if that is your overriding goal.  You may not be, but you are likely to be.  On the other hand, if your goal is to sell in 5 days, and you are a man of your word and will offer the house to the highest bidder no matter what the high bid is, there isn?t a better system anywhere.  You cannot fail if that is your standard.  
 
When the market was going up up up 3 to 4 years ago, this method achieved both goals ? sales were fast and bids were market value and above.  The method is still unmatched when you need to sell fast, but the prices it achieves are all over the board.  In your case, you have an offer that is 10% below your appraisal.  You didn?t mention how old that appraisal is, but if it is 60 days old or older, it is probably in need of updating.  Either way, if I were in your situation, I would let your buyers know that you are considering an auction.  Give them the opportunity to pre-empt the auction by giving you their highest and best offer.  They may surprise you.  But even if they don?t, you have a bird in the hand?.
 
Best of luck, and congrats for getting an excellent offer in this down market.
 
Jim F ? Realtor
Vancouver WA

 

 


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Subject: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to appraisal/ "worth"

 
Greetings
 
I had been currently studying up on the 5 day auction process in order to auction my home in a few weeks.
Independent of this, after many months of traditional marketing I have received an offer and am in negotiations, but am reluctant to give too much on price especially considering the prospects of a strong sales price via a 5 day auction. The price on the table is 10% below appraisal.
 
It has been duly noted that one will get 100% of the property?s worth via the auction. Can those who have sold their home via the auction comment on the strength of this statement in the current sales climate? Auctioning sellers are consistently seeing 100% of appraised value (assuming appraisal is valid)?
 
Thank you kindly for your input.
 
Paul


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From rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 15 17:12:31 2010
From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com (Rosemarie Belcher)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:12:31 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to
	appraisal/ "worth"
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Did the book say you would get 100% of the property's worth? Where did you find that?
Some thoughts for you: Most people doing a 5-day sale are disappointed in the price they get - even more so in the current market. Most buyers probably get a bargain and most sellers are relieved to sell their property for something close to the mortgage amount.
"Auction" is not a word we use much. In some states you need a license to hold an auction, and this is simply a marketing system. Much prefer you call it a 5-day sale.
My advice is - a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Take the offer you have and be grateful. Imagine how you would feel if you turn that offer down, then don't get as good an offer at your 5-day sale.
Good luck
Rosemarie
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  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:00 PM
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  Greetings

   

  I had been currently studying up on the 5 day auction process in order to auction my home in a few weeks.

  Independent of this, after many months of traditional marketing I have received an offer and am in negotiations, but am reluctant to give too much on price especially considering the prospects of a strong sales price via a 5 day auction. The price on the table is 10% below appraisal.

   

  It has been duly noted that one will get 100% of the property's worth via the auction. Can those who have sold their home via the auction comment on the strength of this statement in the current sales climate? Auctioning sellers are consistently seeing 100% of appraised value (assuming appraisal is valid)?

   

  Thank you kindly for your input.

   

  Paul



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From janetislight at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 19:16:58 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:16:58 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to
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Both of you, very good input.  I say what they say.  LOL
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:23:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
lbicon at aol.com writes:

Hi James,
 
Great imput.
 
 Paul,
Here are my two cents. I have completed a ton of these sales since  2004.
1. An appraisal is usually the BEST case scenario for pricing on a  
property. An offer within 10% appraisal in this market is fair. What was the  
purpose of the appraisal? I could have 5 appraisers appraise a property in a  
given week and have the appraisal come in with a 5-10% variation from the  
appraiser. Especially in a neighborhhod that is not a tract or cookie  cutter.
2. Home sales are always a function of market time and exposure. Since  the 
5 day method is set up to create a sense of urgency in buyers, you will  
get the highest offer that you could expect from the amount of exposure that  
the property gets that weekend. Most successful sellers using the method in  
this market have a realistic expectation about what the home will sell  for.
 
Best of Luck,
 
Conrad Kuiken - Investor, Realtor, Loan Officer
 






-----Original  Message-----
From: James Fleming  <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>
To: 'How To Sell Your Home in  5-Days' 
<5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
Sent: Fri,  Jan 15, 2010 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales  price relative to 
appraisal/ "worth"

  
 
Paul,
 
The 5-Day Method will  generate offers from the people who happen to be in 
the market for a home like  yours, on the week that you conduct the 5-day 
sale, who happen to see your  advertising that week, who happen to be 
available to bid that weekend, and who  like your house enough to participate in the 
round robin.  The price you  generate will be the best that can be garnered 
from that very small group of  people that weekend.  To think that you are 
likely to get the true market  value for your house from such a small 
sampling of the buyer population in  such a small window of time is pure wishful 
thinking ? particularly in this  economy.  You are likely to be disappointed 
if that is your overriding  goal.  You may not be, but you are likely to be. 
 On the other hand,  if your goal is to sell in 5 days, and you are a man 
of your word and will  offer the house to the highest bidder no matter what 
the high bid is, there  isn?t a better system anywhere.  You cannot fail if 
that is your  standard.  
 
When the market was  going up up up 3 to 4 years ago, this method achieved 
both goals ? sales were  fast and bids were market value and above.  The 
method is still unmatched  when you need to sell fast, but the prices it 
achieves are all over the  board.  In your case, you have an offer that is 10% 
below your  appraisal.  You didn?t mention how old that appraisal is, but if it 
is 60  days old or older, it is probably in need of updating.  Either way, 
if I  were in your situation, I would let your buyers know that you are 
considering  an auction.  Give them the opportunity to pre-empt the auction by 
giving  you their highest and best offer.  They may surprise you.  But even  
if they don?t, you have a bird in the hand?.
 
Best of luck, and  congrats for getting an excellent offer in this down  
market.
 
Jim F ?  Realtor
Vancouver  WA
 



 
  
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Subject: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction  sales price relative to 
appraisal/ "worth"

 
Greetings
 
I had been currently  studying up on the 5 day auction process in order to 
auction my home in a few  weeks.
Independent of this,  after many months of traditional marketing I have 
received an offer and am in  negotiations, but am reluctant to give too much on 
price especially  considering the prospects of a strong sales price via a 5 
day auction. The  price on the table is 10% below appraisal.
 
It has been duly noted  that one will get 100% of the property?s worth via 
the auction. Can those who  have sold their home via the auction comment on 
the strength of this statement  in the current sales climate? Auctioning 
sellers are consistently seeing 100%  of appraised value (assuming appraisal is 
valid)?
 
Thank you kindly for your  input.
 
Paul



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From bluelightinvestments at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 19:18:44 2010
From: bluelightinvestments at gmail.com (Short Sale Experts)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:18:44 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to
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unsubscribe me please

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:16 PM, <janetislight at aol.com> wrote:

>  Both of you, very good input.  I say what they say.  LOL
>
> Janet
>
>  In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:23:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> lbicon at aol.com writes:
>
> Hi James,
>
> Great imput.
>
>  Paul,
> Here are my two cents. I have completed a ton of these sales since 2004.
> 1. An appraisal is usually the BEST case scenario for pricing on a
> property. An offer within 10% appraisal in this market is fair. What was the
> purpose of the appraisal? I could have 5 appraisers appraise a property in a
> given week and have the appraisal come in with a 5-10% variation from the
> appraiser. Especially in a neighborhhod that is not a tract or cookie
> cutter.
> 2. Home sales are always a function of market time and exposure. Since the
> 5 day method is set up to create a sense of urgency in buyers, you will get
> the highest offer that you could expect from the amount of exposure that the
> property gets that weekend. Most successful sellers using the method in this
> market have a realistic expectation about what the home will sell for.
>
> Best of Luck,
>
> Conrad Kuiken - Investor, Realtor, Loan Officer
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Fleming <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>
> To: 'How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days' <
> 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to
> appraisal/ "worth"
>
>  Paul,
>
> The 5-Day Method will generate offers from the people who happen to be in
> the market for a home like yours, on the week that you conduct the 5-day
> sale, who happen to see your advertising that week, who happen to be
> available to bid that weekend, and who like your house enough to participate
> in the round robin.  The price you generate will be the best that can be
> garnered from that very small group of people that weekend.  To think that
> you are likely to get the true market value for your house from such a small
> sampling of the buyer population in such a small window of time is pure
> wishful thinking ? particularly in this economy.  You are likely to be
> disappointed if that is your overriding goal.  You may not be, but you are
> likely to be.  On the other hand, if your goal is to sell in 5 days, and you
> are a man of your word and will offer the house to the highest bidder no
> matter what the high bid is, there isn?t a better system anywhere.  You
> cannot fail if that is your standard.
>
> When the market was going up up up 3 to 4 years ago, this method achieved
> both goals ? sales were fast and bids were market value and above.  The
> method is still unmatched when you need to sell fast, but the prices it
> achieves are all over the board.  In your case, you have an offer that is
> 10% below your appraisal.  You didn?t mention how old that appraisal is, but
> if it is 60 days old or older, it is probably in need of updating.  Either
> way, if I were in your situation, I would let your buyers know that you are
> considering an auction.  Give them the opportunity to pre-empt the auction
> by giving you their highest and best offer.  They may surprise you.  But
> even if they don?t, you have a bird in the hand?.
>
> Best of luck, and congrats for getting an excellent offer in this down
> market.
>
> Jim F ? Realtor
> Vancouver WA
>  **
>
>  ------------------------------
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> 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com;
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> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to
> appraisal/ "worth"
>
> Greetings
>
> I had been currently studying up on the 5 day auction process in order to
> auction my home in a few weeks.
> Independent of this, after many months of traditional marketing I have
> received an offer and am in negotiations, but am reluctant to give too much
> on price especially considering the prospects of a strong sales price via a
> 5 day auction. The price on the table is 10% below appraisal.
>
> It has been duly noted that one will get 100% of the property?s worth via
> the auction. Can those who have sold their home via the auction comment on
> the strength of this statement in the current sales climate? Auctioning
> sellers are consistently seeing 100% of appraised value (assuming appraisal
> is valid)?
>
> Thank you kindly for your input.
>
> Paul
>
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:16 PM, <janetislight at aol.com> wrote:


Both of you, very good input.  I say what they say.  LOL
 
Janet
 

In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:23:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, lbicon at aol.com writes:

Hi James,
 
Great imput.
 
 Paul,
Here are my two cents. I have completed a ton of these sales since 2004.
1. An appraisal is usually the BEST case scenario for pricing on a property. An offer within 10% appraisal in this market is fair. What was the purpose of the appraisal? I could have 5 appraisers appraise a property in a given week and have the appraisal come in with a 5-10% variation from the appraiser. Especially in a neighborhhod that is not a tract or cookie cutter.
2. Home sales are always a function of market time and exposure. Since the 5 day method is set up to create a sense of urgency in buyers, you will get the highest offer that you could expect from the amount of exposure that the property gets that weekend. Most successful sellers using the method in this market have a realistic expectation about what the home will sell for.
 
Best of Luck,
 
Conrad Kuiken - Investor, Realtor, Loan Officer
 


 




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Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:58 pm
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Paul,
 
The 5-Day Method will generate offers from the people who happen to be in the market for a home like yours, on the week that you conduct the 5-day sale, who happen to see your advertising that week, who happen to be available to bid that weekend, and who like your house enough to participate in the round robin.  The price you generate will be the best that can be garnered from that very small group of people that weekend.  To think that you are likely to get the true market value for your house from such a small sampling of the buyer population in such a small window of time is pure wishful thinking ? particularly in this economy.  You are likely to be disappointed if that is your overriding goal.  You may not be, but you are likely to be.  On the other hand, if your goal is to sell in 5 days, and you are a man of your word and will offer the house to the highest bidder no matter what the high bid is, there isn?t a better system anywhere.  You cannot fail if that is your standard.  
 
When the market was going up up up 3 to 4 years ago, this method achieved both goals ? sales were fast and bids were market value and above.  The method is still unmatched when you need to sell fast, but the prices it achieves are all over the board.  In your case, you have an offer that is 10% below your appraisal.  You didn?t mention how old that appraisal is, but if it is 60 days old or older, it is probably in need of updating.  Either way, if I were in your situation, I would let your buyers know that you are considering an auction.  Give them the opportunity to pre-empt the auction by giving you their highest and best offer.  They may surprise you.  But even if they don?t, you have a bird in the hand?.
 
Best of luck, and congrats for getting an excellent offer in this down market.
 
Jim F ? Realtor
Vancouver WA

 

 


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Subject: [5-DayForum] Strength of auction sales price relative to appraisal/ "worth"

 
Greetings
 
I had been currently studying up on the 5 day auction process in order to auction my home in a few weeks.
Independent of this, after many months of traditional marketing I have received an offer and am in negotiations, but am reluctant to give too much on price especially considering the prospects of a strong sales price via a 5 day auction. The price on the table is 10% below appraisal.
 
It has been duly noted that one will get 100% of the property?s worth via the auction. Can those who have sold their home via the auction comment on the strength of this statement in the current sales climate? Auctioning sellers are consistently seeing 100% of appraised value (assuming appraisal is valid)?
 
Thank you kindly for your input.
 
Paul


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From jeff at brown.name  Sat Jan 16 01:09:54 2010
From: jeff at brown.name (Jeff Brown)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:09:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "Pricing Consultant"
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I understand the implications of acting as a broker if this is done for someone else. Yes, the possibility also exists to enter into an "option contract" with seller to provide this service, but how about this idea? Be a "Pricing Consultant" for the FSBO. Bill even breaks-down the process in the book that during the bidding we are not concerned with any distractions like qualifying, selling, etc. We are simply trying to help the seller arrive at a Fair Market Value for their home in the "free market conditions" we create with the Silent Auction. So once we have done that at the end of the 5-days, we have achieved our objective of finding seller his FMV. We haven't actually sold the home. The highest bidder will be turned over to the seller for him to contact and work out the details of the sale, go to contract, etc. Our job is done after the FMV is reached at day 5. Our fee should be a very reasonable flat-fee and paid by seller at the end of the 5th
 day. Any thoughts from anyone here? I may seek some legal counsel as to how to set this up. I live in Texas. I'm not licensed and don't believe this would require a RE license. In today's market, looks like this could be a good little business to help sellers. Win/Win. Comments? Thanks. Jeff


      
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From riversfamily2 at msn.com  Sat Jan 16 09:02:55 2010
From: riversfamily2 at msn.com (Stacia Rivers)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:02:55 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] Help
In-Reply-To: <02A5BD4CC276470FB6D450AE1693ECC8@rosemarifv6onv>
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	<02A5BD4CC276470FB6D450AE1693ECC8@rosemarifv6onv>
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Hi all. The suggestion to send my issue to Craig directly was spot  
on!  In fact someone must have forwarded it to him, because he  
actually emailed me and my ad was restored within minutes! Way to go  
forum!

In the end, though my numbers waned in the process with only 2  
responding on day 3 despite the fact I done some additional  
advertising beginning Friday. I cancelled my sale. I had needed 6 to  
go forward.

At least my house looks spiffy now!

I looked at this method seriously from a time is money standpoint. I  
had a clear view of what's worst case scenario would be using a  
realtor and was prepared for a big concession to close a deal quickly  
to move on.  I'm glad I did this, but I am also glad I was able to  
exit gracefully.

Thanks to all who jumped in with suggestions for me. I'm not much of a  
blogger, but this forum (and mom's help cleaning my house) was the  
highlight!

Best Regards,

Stacia

On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:41 AM, "Rosemarie Belcher" <rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com 
 > wrote:

> Being aware that if you don't have 25 responses that your sale will  
> probably
> not work, and understanding that this is an emergency for you, I would
> suggest signs. You can buy corrugated sign material and H-brackets  
> quite
> cheaply, and big markers. Put very little on there - people can't read
> details while driving. Maybe, for example,  "4 bedrooms, $49,900"  
> and a big
> arrow. Put them up early Saturday morning on all the roads coming in  
> to the
> house. Make them all the same so people will be following a trail.  
> Put the
> last one in front of the house. Maybe that one should be a replica  
> of the
> print ad, so people will know before they come that there is a bidding
> process.
> I wish you the best - let us know!
> Rosemarie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stacia Rivers" <riverpeace at me.com>
> To: <5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:50 AM
> Subject: [5-DayForum] Help
>
>
>> Day 3 of my sale and I messed up my craigs list ad.
>>
>> I'm at 19 contacts so far, but most have been from Craigslist.  8  
>> only by
>> press ad. I had trouble adding postlet and deleted my ad to repost
>> correctly.  Now I can't get reposted probably because I'm flagged.  I
>> waited two days to get a reponse from the Craigs list email before
>> attempting this reposting on my own.  I waited until after the time  
>> given
>> to repost.  I sent another request for help from Craigs list, but  
>> email
>> doesn't seem to work.  I can't postpone and do this sale again.   
>> I'd have
>> to list with an agent next week.  I have family that drove hours to  
>> get
>> here to help me with my sale.
>>
>> Does anyone know how to TALK with Criag's list?  Other suggestions?
>>
>> Yikes,
>>
>> Stacia
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From damian_colden at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 12:49:50 2010
From: damian_colden at yahoo.com (Damian Colden)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:49:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "Pricing Consultant"
In-Reply-To: <513611.83110.qm@web82508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Check it out very carefully. In many States, regardless of who handles the transaction, the act of bring a buyer and seller together and negotiating the sale price is brokering real estate.

Good luck

 Dac Colden
Investor/Realtor




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From: Jeff Brown <jeff at brown.name>
To: 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 1:09:54 AM
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "Pricing Consultant"


I understand the implications of acting as a broker if this is done for someone else. Yes, the possibility also exists to enter into an "option contract" with seller to provide this service, but how about this idea? Be a "Pricing Consultant" for the FSBO. Bill even breaks-down the process in the book that during the bidding we are not concerned with any distractions like qualifying, selling, etc. We are simply trying to help the seller arrive at a Fair Market Value for their home in the "free market conditions" we create with the Silent Auction. So once we have done that at the end of the 5-days, we have achieved our objective of finding seller his FMV. We haven't actually sold the home. The highest bidder will be turned over to the seller for him to contact and work out the details of the sale, go to contract, etc. Our job is done after the FMV is reached at day 5. Our fee should be a very reasonable flat-fee and paid by seller at the end of the 5th
 day. Any thoughts from anyone here? I may seek some legal counsel as to how to set this up. I live in Texas. I'm not licensed and don't believe this would require a RE license. In today's market, looks like this could be a good little business to help sellers. Win/Win. Comments? Thanks. Jeff



      
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From lbicon at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 17:10:20 2010
From: lbicon at aol.com (lbicon at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:10:20 +0000
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "Pricing Consultant"
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If you trying to get paid on any RE transaction before closing then you are breaking two laws not one. If it walks like a duck,quacks like a ducknits a duck. Texas is one of the strictest states. Good luck.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 18:05:58 2010
From: jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com (James Fleming)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:05:58 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "Pricing Consultant"
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Sorry Jeff, but the tasks you delineated require you to be a licensed real
estate agent.  That or an owner of the property.

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 

 

 

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From:
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mein5days.com
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llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Brown
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:10 PM
To: 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "Pricing Consultant"

 

I understand the implications of acting as a broker if this is done for
someone else. Yes, the possibility also exists to enter into an "option
contract" with seller to provide this service, but how about this idea? Be a
"Pricing Consultant" for the FSBO. Bill even breaks-down the process in the
book that during the bidding we are not concerned with any distractions like
qualifying, selling, etc. We are simply trying to help the seller arrive at
a Fair Market Value for their home in the "free market conditions" we create
with the Silent Auction. So once we have done that at the end of the 5-days,
we have achieved our objective of finding seller his FMV. We haven't
actually sold the home. The highest bidder will be turned over to the seller
for him to contact and work out the details of the sale, go to contract,
etc. Our job is done after the FMV is reached at day 5. Our fee should be a
very reasonable flat-fee and paid by seller at the end of the 5th day. Any
thoughts from anyone here? I may seek some legal counsel as to how to set
this up. I live in Texas. I'm not licensed and don't believe this would
require a RE license. In today's market, looks like this could be a good
little business to help sellers. Win/Win. Comments? Thanks. Jeff

 

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From jeff at brown.name  Sat Jan 16 18:41:56 2010
From: jeff at brown.name (Jeff Brown)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:41:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
Message-ID: <618391.20192.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 


      
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From lbicon at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 20:47:21 2010
From: lbicon at aol.com (lbicon at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:47:21 +0000
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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You are wrong! Assisting a seller in determining the sales price of a is a determinate of agency. Pay a lawyer to tell you the same.
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From jeff at brown.name  Sat Jan 16 23:30:05 2010
From: jeff at brown.name (Jeff Brown)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:30:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....
Message-ID: <168984.68375.qm@web82507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ibicon, I don't think I ever said I was right. I posed a question and "brainstorm" to the forum for you experts to answer. Comments with a negative tone and being disrespectful to people that pose questions on the forum I don't think is the tone that is expected here. If you can back your statements with facts and experiences that too would be helpful. Going on a hunch as to what a lawyer will tell me is not good enough. Do you know the license laws in all 50 states? What are your credentials? We can all quote law to each other all day about this and that. We're all "experts" when it comes to what we can't do in life. Give me a personal experience you've had in regard to this. I do believe Bill mentioned in his book he has assisted many folk in doing these. Bill's not licensed according to his book. A little out-of-the-box thinking is all I was asking which is what this forum is all about. It was not my intention to ruffle any feathers to the point of
 disrespect. I think we can all agree to be a little more respectful to each others questions regardless of how stupid they may sound to scholars like you. By the way, is "Ibicon" your name? My name is Jeff Brown. Thanks Ibicon for your understanding. Peace. 


      
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From janetislight at aol.com  Sun Jan 17 00:40:47 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:40:47 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
Message-ID: <120b1.4c42e07b.3883fcdf@aol.com>

I think you are splitting hairs just enough.... to be wrong.
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2010 5:42:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
jeff at brown.name writes:

 
Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas  
and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we  
really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of  
their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly 
 pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty 
brokers??  We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of the 5  
days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The highest 
 bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the seller to 
 find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill  
O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 





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From janetislight at aol.com  Sun Jan 17 00:44:08 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:44:08 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....
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I don't think he was being disrespectful as much as being direct.  It  you 
just took information and didn't conduct the round robin.... hmmmm maybe,  
depending on your state.  I am not a broker or realtor so I really don't  
know, but yet I've been and investor for years.  What you are saying just  
doesn't "smell" right.
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2010 10:30:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,  jeff at brow
n.name writes:

 
Ibicon, I don't think I ever said I was right. I posed a question and  
"brainstorm" to the forum for you experts to answer. Comments with a negative  
tone and being disrespectful to people that pose questions on the forum I  
don't think is the tone that is expected here. If you can back your statements 
 with facts and experiences that too would be helpful. Going on a hunch as 
to  what a lawyer will tell me is not good enough. Do you know the license 
laws in  all 50 states? What are your credentials? We can all quote law to 
each other  all day about this and that. We're all "experts" when it comes to 
what we  can't do in life. Give me a personal experience you've had in 
regard to this.  I do believe Bill mentioned in his book he has assisted many 
folk in doing  these. Bill's not licensed according to his book. A little 
out-of-the-box  thinking is all I was asking which is what this forum is all 
about. It was not  my intention to ruffle any feathers to the point of 
disrespect. I think we can  all agree to be a little more respectful to each others 
questions regardless  of how stupid they may sound to scholars like you. By 
the way, is "Ibicon"  your name? My name is Jeff Brown. Thanks Ibicon for 
your understanding.  Peace. 





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From jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 02:39:19 2010
From: jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com (James Fleming)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:39:19 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
In-Reply-To: <618391.20192.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <AAEF3AF3321C4639BE80A0AE193797B2@JIMBIZ>

Jeff,

 

I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  

 

As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
$4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
them from needing to be licensed.

 

What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition,
but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate
transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers
and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in
the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  

 

Your contention that you can't find any information anywhere that states
that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
"strictly pricing" the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to "strictly pricing" the
home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.

 

All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
association's legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.

 

Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you've spent
some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings
can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are
loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting
them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to
avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise,
if you come up with the right approach.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 

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From:
5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourho
mein5days.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtose
llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Brown
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
To: 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and
Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again!
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From: lbicon at aol.com (lbicon at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:50:17 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....
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I was not disrespectful to you in any way. As for my credentials. My Co. has been featured on ABC's 20/20 program. I have interviewed by the NY Times and many other smaller newpapers. I have assisted countless people in many states doing a variation of the 5-day sale sale over the past 5 years.The states that I recall off the top of my head are NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND WA. I am licensed in the state of CA. I am involved in a number of RE CORPS as a consultant. My present focus is on distressed RE and I am no longer doing "5-day sales" as a consultant. The investment groups that I am involved in far are more lucrative for me. You asked the question jokingly "Am I wrong?" I answered it. If you are licensed, then why are you asking questions about doing this being unlicensed? It really doen't matter what you think or I think or for that matter what the attorney that makes an opinion thinks. It only matters what the Attorney General in the state that the sale takes place thinks. As far as Bill Effros assisting other people goes. I don't think that I have ever seen him say he was COMPENSATED for that assistance. As far as your question is concerned, I have a question. The question that you are asking on this forum has been posed by about 100 or so people that complete a 5-day sale and are now "experts". I am always wondering why someone would want to be in the business of advising people on the sale of Real Estate or having a network of people advising people on Real Estate that are not licensed in that state. The most obvious answer is that they want to avoid being held accountable for their actions. Another answer might be that they do not even want to pass over the minimal bar of a state Real Estate licensing authority. I am not saying that they need to be REALTORS because that affiliation is expensive. Just licensed.

As you might already have surmised, all of the discussion we are having is theoretical. The only way it will be actually tested is when someone who isn't satisfied with the service provided. The "client" will then try and figure out who to call to complain or even take further action. Who do you think that might be? in CA that would be the DRE that has a website for consumer complaints. Or it might be t the local Association of Realtors or the District Attorney.  Guess where that would lead? Lastly, I am aware of a recent case in CA of an "Auction Consultant". He was convicted of "practicing RE without a license". He was sentenced to 5 years in a state prison and fined $200,000. On appeal the sentence was reduced to six months and the fine reduced to $50,000. He had been assisting as a "Marketing Consultant" on RE auction in the San Jose, CA. and was neither licensed as an Auctioneer or Real Estate Salesperson.

ENOUGH OF THIS I HAVE TO WATCH THE VIKINGS WHIP UP ON THE COWBOYS AND HOPEFULLY THE CHARGERS WHIP UP ON THE JETS.

BTW MY NAME IS MIKE SMITH....ON NO THATS NOT IT. IT'S CONRAD KUIKEN, RE Investor,Realtor, Loan Officer,Author........    






-----Original Message-----
From: janetislight at aol.comadvising  
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....


I don't think he was being disrespectful as much as being direct.  It you just took information and didn't conduct the round robin.... hmmmm maybe, depending on your state.  I am not a broker or realtor so I really don't know, but yet I've been and investor for years.  What you are saying just doesn't "smell" right.
 
Janet
 

In a message dated 1/16/2010 10:30:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, jeff at brown.name writes:

Ibicon, I don't think I ever said I was right. I posed a question and "brainstorm" to the forum for you experts to answer. Comments with a negative tone and being disrespectful to people that pose questions on the forum I don't think is the tone that is expected here. If you can back your statements with facts and experiences that too would be helpful. Going on a hunch as to what a lawyer will tell me is not good enough. Do you know the license laws in all 50 states? What are your credentials? We can all quote law to each other all day about this and that. We're all "experts" when it comes to what we can't do in life. Give me a personal experience you've had in regard to this. I do believe Bill mentioned in his book he has assisted many folk in doing these. Bill's not licensed according to his book. A little out-of-the-box thinking is all I was asking which is what this forum is all about. It was not my intention to ruffle any feathers to the point of disrespect. I think we can all agree to be a little more respectful to each others questions regardless of how stupid they may sound to scholars like you. By the way, is "Ibicon" your name? My name is Jeff Brown. Thanks Ibicon for your understanding. Peace. 




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From: barrettai at aol.com (barrettai at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:26:22 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....
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 Very interesting.  However, the Jets will beat the chargers!

Kyle
www.AuctionBySeller.com  

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: lbicon at aol.com
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....


I was not disrespectful to you in any way. As for my credentials. My Co. has been featured on ABC's 20/20 program. I have interviewed by the NY Times and many other smaller newpapers. I have assisted countless people in many states doing a variation of the 5-day sale sale over the past 5 years.The states that I recall off the top of my head are NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND WA. I am licensed in the state of CA. I am involved in a number of RE CORPS as a consultant. My present focus is on distressed RE and I am no longer doing "5-day sales" as a consultant. The investment groups that I am involved in far are more lucrative for me. You asked the question jokingly "Am I wrong?" I answered it. If you are licensed, then why are you asking questions about doing this being unlicensed? It really doen't matter what you think or I think or for that matter what the attorney that makes an opinion thinks. It only matters what the Attorney General in the state that the sale takes place thinks. As far as Bill Effros assisting other people goes. I don't think that I have ever seen him say he was COMPENSATED for that assistance. As far as your question is concerned, I have a question. The question that you are asking on this forum has been posed by about 100 or so people that complete a 5-day sale and are now "experts". I am always wondering why someone would want to be in the business of advising people on the sale of Real Estate or having a network of people advising people on Real Estate that are not licensed in that state. The most obvious answer is that they want to avoid being held accountable for their actions. Another answer might be that they do not even want to pass over the minimal bar of a state Real Estate licensing authority. I am not saying that they need to be REALTORS because that affiliation is expensive. Just licensed.
 
As you might already have surmised, all of the discussion we are having is theoretical. The only way it will be actually tested is when someone who isn't satisfied with the service provided. The "client" will then try and figure out who to call to complain or even take further action. Who do you think that might be? in CA that would be the DRE that has a website for consumer complaints. Or it might be t the local Association of Realtors or the District Attorney.  Guess where that would lead? Lastly, I am aware of a recent case in CA of an "Auction Consultant". He was convicted of "practicing RE without a license". He was sentenced to 5 years in a state prison and fined $200,000. On appeal the sentence was reduced to six months and the fine reduced to $50,000. He had been assisting as a "Marketing Consultant" on RE auction in the San Jose, CA. and was neither licensed as an Auctioneer or Real Estate Salesperson.
 
ENOUGH OF THIS I HAVE TO WATCH THE VIKINGS WHIP UP ON THE COWBOYS AND HOPEFULLY THE CHARGERS WHIP UP ON THE JETS.
 
BTW MY NAME IS MIKE SMITH....ON NO THATS NOT IT. IT'S CONRAD KUIKEN, RE Investor,Realtor, Loan Officer,Author........    






-----Original Message-----
From: janetislight at aol.comadvising 
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....


I don't think he was being disrespectful as much as being direct.  It you just took information and didn't conduct the round robin.... hmmmm maybe, depending on your state.  I am not a broker or realtor so I really don't know, but yet I've been and investor for years.  What you are saying just doesn't "smell" right.
 
Janet
 

In a message dated 1/16/2010 10:30:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, jeff at brown.name writes:

Ibicon, I don't think I ever said I was right. I posed a question and "brainstorm" to the forum for you experts to answer. Comments with a negative tone and being disrespectful to people that pose questions on the forum I don't think is the tone that is expected here. If you can back your statements with facts and experiences that too would be helpful. Going on a hunch as to what a lawyer will tell me is not good enough. Do you know the license laws in all 50 states? What are your credentials? We can all quote law to each other all day about this and that. We're all "experts" when it comes to what we can't do in life. Give me a personal experience you've had in regard to this. I do believe Bill mentioned in his book he has assisted many folk in doing these. Bill's not licensed according to his book. A little out-of-the-box thinking is all I was asking which is what this forum is all about. It was not my intention to ruffle any feathers to the point of disrespect. I think we can all agree to be a little more respectful to each others questions regardless of how stupid they may sound to scholars like you. By the way, is "Ibicon" your name? My name is Jeff Brown. Thanks Ibicon for your understanding. Peace. 




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From hsiclang at windstream.net  Sun Jan 17 20:02:00 2010
From: hsiclang at windstream.net (The Langs)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:02:00 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
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Thank you, Janet.  We have decided to proceed with a 5-day sale, auction on
Monday.  We will rent the billboard for one month but only put the
information up for 2 weeks.  It's $1,000 for a 4-week flight; this cost
includes design, materials, and rental.  Living in a rural area presents a
different set of problems, so we're hoping advertising this way will
increase our chances of selling first time round.  

 

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From:
5-dayforum-bounces+hsiclang=windstream.net at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.
com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+hsiclang=windstream.net at mailman.howtosellyourhome
in5days.com] On Behalf Of janetislight at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:52 PM
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Here we go!

 

This is in exact opposition to the whole theory of the 5-day method.  Sealed
bids are not in your best interest.  Of course you said you didn't want to
get the highest price, so this would be a sure way to make that come true.
As for the billboard...  I don't think that could hurt your sale at all.
Can you rent them for just five days?  If so, seems they would charge above
normal rates for monthly and beyond advertisers.  How much will this cost
you?

 

I wish you the best of luck with your sale, but would hope you would stick
truer to the tried and true method than putting your own spin on things.

 

Janet

 

In a message dated 1/13/2010 10:07:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
hsiclang at windstream.net writes:

We have read Bill Effros' book with great interest and have decided to use
the 5-day method to sell our house.  We have two questions that we believe
this forum could help us with.

 

First, we have the opportunity to rent billboard space (!) to advertise our
sale.  Shouldn't be a problem, right?  We're in a pretty rural area and we
believe it would be money well spent.

 

Second, we would like to conduct the sale using a sealed bid approach,
leaving one week between the "public inspection" weekend and the following
weekend, when the bids must be received.  We then open the bids and work
from the highest down.  I know this is a departure from Bill's Round Robin
technique, but we don't necessarily need to get the highest price - just one
that covers what we owe on the house.

 

Thoughts?

 

Thanks for a great idea and the encouragement to do it!

 

Rich and Barb Lang



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From: hsiclang at windstream.net (The Langs)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:04:10 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
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Why?  My wife is in cancer recovery.  We need to sell our house and I
thought sealed bid would be a little less stressful.

 

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From:
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com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+hsiclang=windstream.net at mailman.howtosellyourhome
in5days.com] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Belcher
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:36 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Here we go!

 

The experience of those on this forum is that when folks depart from Bill's
methods, the sale is a failure. Then they blame Bill!! If no one has tried
what you are planning, then no one can really advise you about it. You are
inventing a new system which may or may not work, rather than using a system
which has worked many, many times. Why?

Good luck!
Rosemarie

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To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 

Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:34 PM

Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!

 

We have read Bill Effros' book with great interest and have decided to use
the 5-day method to sell our house.  We have two questions that we believe
this forum could help us with.

 

First, we have the opportunity to rent billboard space (!) to advertise our
sale.  Shouldn't be a problem, right?  We're in a pretty rural area and we
believe it would be money well spent.

 

Second, we would like to conduct the sale using a sealed bid approach,
leaving one week between the "public inspection" weekend and the following
weekend, when the bids must be received.  We then open the bids and work
from the highest down.  I know this is a departure from Bill's Round Robin
technique, but we don't necessarily need to get the highest price - just one
that covers what we owe on the house.

 

Thoughts?

 

Thanks for a great idea and the encouragement to do it!

 

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From: hsiclang at windstream.net (The Langs)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:05:22 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
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Thanks, Tom!  We intend to make the billboard look as close to the newspaper
ad as possible!

 

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com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+hsiclang=windstream.net at mailman.howtosellyourhome
in5days.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:33 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Here we go!

 

Dear Rich & Barb,
The billboard thing could be a good idea if the ads are similiar to the  ads
in the paper or as illustrated in the book.
The idea of a sealed bid in my opinion is a real loser. The beauty of the 5
day sale is the transparency and all of the bidders can see they are
actually bidding against real people. I believe you would have a very hard
sell trying to get the bidding up.
Rosemarie is right. Stick to the tried and true.
Sincerely,
Tom Hoffman
 
 

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From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:35:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Here we go!

The experience of those on this forum is that when folks depart from Bill's
methods, the sale is a failure. Then they blame Bill!! If no one has tried
what you are planning, then no one can really advise you about it. You are
inventing a new system which may or may not work, rather than using a system
which has worked many, many times. Why?

Good luck!
Rosemarie

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From: The Langs <mailto:hsiclang at windstream.net>  

To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 

Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:34 PM

Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!

 

We have read Bill Effros' book with great interest and have decided to use
the 5-day method to sell our house.  We have two questions that we believe
this forum could help us with.

 

First, we have the opportunity to rent billboard space (!) to advertise our
sale.  Shouldn't be a problem, right?  We're in a pretty rural area and we
believe it would be money well spent.

 

Second, we would like to conduct the sale using a sealed bid approach,
leaving one week between the "public inspection" weekend and the following
weekend, when the bids must be received.  We then open the bids and work
from the highest down.  I know this is a departure from Bill's Round Robin
technique, but we don't necessarily need to get the highest price - just one
that covers what we owe on the house.

 

Thoughts?

 

Thanks for a great idea and the encouragement to do it!

 

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From janetislight at aol.com  Sun Jan 17 21:26:33 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:26:33 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
Message-ID: <23203.598862c5.388520d9@aol.com>

Rich and Barb,
 
I think that the 1,000 is totally reasonable.  With others who have  done 
signs, newspapers and fliers, the cost would certainly be in this  ballpark.  
Let us know how much response you get from the billboard.   It may be 
something new that would work just about anywhere!
 
Greatest of luck to you,
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/17/2010 7:02:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
hsiclang at windstream.net writes:

 
Thank you,  Janet.  We have decided to proceed with a 5-day sale, auction 
on  Monday.  We will rent the billboard for one month but only put the  
information up for 2 weeks.  It?s $1,000 for a 4-week flight; this cost  includes 
design, materials, and rental.  Living in a rural area presents  a 
different set of problems, so we?re hoping advertising this way will  increase our 
chances of selling first time round.    
 
  
____________________________________
 
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[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+hsiclang=windstream.net at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com]  On Behalf Of  janetislight at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:52  PM
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Here we  go!
 
This is in exact  opposition to the whole theory of the 5-day method.  
Sealed bids are not  in your best interest.  Of course you said you didn't want 
to get the  highest price, so this would be a sure way to make that come 
true.  As  for the billboard...  I don't think that could hurt your sale at  
all.  Can you rent them for just five days?  If so, seems they would  charge 
above normal rates for monthly and beyond advertisers.  How much  will this 
cost you?
 

 
I wish you the best  of luck with your sale, but would hope you would stick 
truer to the tried and  true method than putting your own spin on  things.
 

 
Janet
 

 
 
In a message dated  1/13/2010 10:07:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
hsiclang at windstream.net  writes:

 
We have read Bill  Effros? book with great interest and have decided to use 
the 5-day method to  sell our house.  We have two questions that we believe 
this forum could  help us with. 
First, we have the  opportunity to rent billboard space (!) to advertise 
our sale.   Shouldn?t be a problem, right?  We?re in a pretty rural area and 
we  believe it would be money well spent. 
Second, we would  like to conduct the sale using a sealed bid approach, 
leaving one week  between the ?public inspection? weekend and the following 
weekend, when the  bids must be received.  We then open the bids and work from 
the highest  down.  I know this is a departure from Bill?s Round Robin 
technique,  but we don?t necessarily need to get the highest price ? just one 
that  covers what we owe on the house. 
Thoughts? 
Thanks for a great  idea and the encouragement to do it! 
Rich and Barb  Lang


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From janetislight at aol.com  Sun Jan 17 21:30:13 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:30:13 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
Message-ID: <2331e.54948c59.388521b5@aol.com>

Barb and Rich,
 
First and foremost, a comfortable recovery is my wish for you Barb.   It's 
the whole transparency thing that makes this whole system work.  It IS  the 
method.  The heart of it, as it were.  The round robin only lasts  one 
evening and then boom, you are done.  You can just show her the bids as  they 
increase and increase and increase.
 
Keep us informed as to the sale and Barb's recovery,
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/17/2010 7:04:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
hsiclang at windstream.net writes:

 
Why?  My wife is  in cancer recovery.  We need to sell our house and I 
thought sealed bid  would be a little less stressful. 
 
  
____________________________________
 
From:  
5-dayforum-bounces+hsiclang=windstream.net at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com  
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+hsiclang=windstream.net at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com]  On Behalf Of Rosemarie  Belcher
Sent: Thursday,  January 14, 2010 12:36 PM
To:  How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Here we  go!
 
The experience of those on this  forum is that when folks depart from 
Bill's methods, the sale is a failure.  Then they blame Bill!! If no one has 
tried what you are planning, then no one  can really advise you about it. You 
are inventing a new system which may or  may not work, rather than using a 
system which has worked many, many times.  Why?
 
Good  luck!
Rosemarie

 
----- Original Message -----  
 
From: _The Langs_ (mailto:hsiclang at windstream.net)   
 
To: _5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com_ 
(mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com)   
 
Sent:  Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:34 PM
 
Subject:  [5-DayForum] Here we go!
 

We have read Bill Effros? book  with great interest and have decided to use 
the 5-day method to sell our  house.  We have two questions that we believe 
this forum could help us  with. 
First, we have the opportunity  to rent billboard space (!) to advertise 
our sale.  Shouldn?t be a  problem, right?  We?re in a pretty rural area and 
we believe it would  be money well spent. 
Second, we would like to conduct  the sale using a sealed bid approach, 
leaving one week between the ?public  inspection? weekend and the following 
weekend, when the bids must be  received.  We then open the bids and work from 
the highest down.   I know this is a departure from Bill?s Round Robin 
technique, but we don?t  necessarily need to get the highest price ? just one 
that covers what we owe  on the house. 
Thoughts? 
Thanks for a great idea and the  encouragement to do it! 
Rich and Barb  Lang 


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From rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  Sun Jan 17 22:58:12 2010
From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com (Rosemarie Belcher)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:58:12 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
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I wish you both well. In case it may help, I will tell you that I was in Sloan Kettering Hospital in NY expecting to die of cancer in 1977. I'm still here, still being a thorn in the side!
My "Why?" was not intended to annoy you, sorry if it did. It's your house, and your decision, but I would urge you not to depart from the tried and true if you want to succeed. Success will be less stressful than failure, after all.
Best regards
Rosemarie 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Langs 
  To: 'How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days' 
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Here we go!


  Why?  My wife is in cancer recovery.  We need to sell our house and I thought sealed bid would be a little less stressful.

   


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  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:36 PM
  To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
  Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Here we go!

   

  The experience of those on this forum is that when folks depart from Bill's methods, the sale is a failure. Then they blame Bill!! If no one has tried what you are planning, then no one can really advise you about it. You are inventing a new system which may or may not work, rather than using a system which has worked many, many times. Why?

  Good luck!
  Rosemarie

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: The Langs 

    To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 

    Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:34 PM

    Subject: [5-DayForum] Here we go!

     

    We have read Bill Effros' book with great interest and have decided to use the 5-day method to sell our house.  We have two questions that we believe this forum could help us with.

     

    First, we have the opportunity to rent billboard space (!) to advertise our sale.  Shouldn't be a problem, right?  We're in a pretty rural area and we believe it would be money well spent.

     

    Second, we would like to conduct the sale using a sealed bid approach, leaving one week between the "public inspection" weekend and the following weekend, when the bids must be received.  We then open the bids and work from the highest down.  I know this is a departure from Bill's Round Robin technique, but we don't necessarily need to get the highest price - just one that covers what we owe on the house.

     

    Thoughts?

     

    Thanks for a great idea and the encouragement to do it!

     

    Rich and Barb Lang



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From bill at effros.com  Mon Jan 18 00:00:05 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:00:05 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Billboards
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Rich and Barb,

Is there so much urgency that you must start the billboard buy as early 
as tomorrow?

I'd love to have a little more time to think this through.

Over the past 20 years I've done a lot of publicity for the book.  I 
like to drive, and I like to drive all over this country, so instead of 
flying from city to city, I drive.

The one thing that has really caught my eye, as I drive, is billboards.  
Frankly, I love them.  Between cities they speak volumes about what is 
going on in the lives of people who don't live in large metropolitan areas.

 From the content and the size of the businesses advertised, I could 
guess that the cost was reasonable, but I  never found out exactly how much.

You are right that selling in a rural area presents a different set of 
problems, but, more importantly, it also offers a different set of 
possible solutions.

There is no real problem in attracting 25 buyers, or in getting the 3 
real buyers to bid against each other.  This is as easily achieved in 
rural areas as in urban or suburban areas.  Properly run 5-Day Sales 
will get you the best price you can get on the weekend you choose, no 
matter where you live.

People in rural areas who run 5-Day Sales tend to over-compensate for 
the lower population density and attract too many people from too wide 
an area making their sales more difficult to manage.  They still sell in 
5-Days.  And they get the same price.  It's just more work, and they 
must have more people on hand.

On the other hand, if you like big parties, 5-Day Sales with too many 
potential buyers can be a lot of fun, they are not boring for even a 
second, and you can be really sure at the end of the day that you got 
the most anyone within 3 counties would pay for your home on the day you 
choose to sell it.

The problem with billboards is attracting too many people, not too few.  
If you put up a billboard, and nobody calls, your problem is price.  I 
would think you would test the price by putting your ad somewhere else 
before you commit to a billboard starting price.  Put it in Craig's 
List.  Leave it there for a few hours, then pull it.  You should start 
getting calls immediately to validate your billboard price.  Tell 
callers exactly what you are doing, how the sale will work, when it will 
occur, etc.  And tell them to look for the ad on Route whatever, when 
you plan to put it up.  All of this will validate your sale.

I doubt there is any magic in my newspaper ad insofar as billboard 
advertising is concerned.  I would guess a lot of people on this Forum 
have far more experience with successful billboard advertising than I 
have, and if you give them a little time to respond, they will probably 
come up with a lot of good ideas.

Do stay away from sealed bidding.  It's not good for you.  It's not good 
for the buyer.

I have thought about billboard advertising but I've never tried it, nor 
do I know of anyone else trying it.  I think it can be a great idea in 
areas where billboards are affordable.  If you can slow down your sale 
for a couple of days, I think we can come up with billboard advertising 
that will do the job without putting too much strain on your family.

Let us know what you're doing, and send pictures of your billboard no 
matter what!

Bill Effros
Author





The Langs wrote:
>
> Thank you, Janet.  We have decided to proceed with a 5-day sale, 
> auction on Monday.  We will rent the billboard for one month but only 
> put the information up for 2 weeks.  It's $1,000 for a 4-week flight; 
> this cost includes design, materials, and rental.  Living in a rural 
> area presents a different set of problems, so we're hoping advertising 
> this way will increase our chances of selling first time round. 
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* 
> 5-dayforum-bounces+hsiclang=windstream.net at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 
> [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+hsiclang=windstream.net at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *janetislight at aol.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:52 PM
> *To:* 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Here we go!
>
>  
>
> This is in exact opposition to the whole theory of the 5-day method.  
> Sealed bids are not in your best interest.  Of course you said you 
> didn't want to get the highest price, so this would be a sure way to 
> make that come true.  As for the billboard...  I don't think that 
> could hurt your sale at all.  Can you rent them for just five days?  
> If so, seems they would charge above normal rates for monthly and 
> beyond advertisers.  How much will this cost you?
>
>  
>
> I wish you the best of luck with your sale, but would hope you would 
> stick truer to the tried and true method than putting your own spin on 
> things.
>
>  
>
> Janet
>
>  
>
> In a message dated 1/13/2010 10:07:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
> hsiclang at windstream.net writes:
>
>     We have read Bill Effros' book with great interest and have
>     decided to use the 5-day method to sell our house.  We have two
>     questions that we believe this forum could help us with.
>
>      
>
>     First, we have the opportunity to rent billboard space (!) to
>     advertise our sale.  Shouldn't be a problem, right?  We're in a
>     pretty rural area and we believe it would be money well spent.
>
>      
>
>     Second, we would like to conduct the sale using a sealed bid
>     approach, leaving one week between the "public inspection" weekend
>     and the following weekend, when the bids must be received.  We
>     then open the bids and work from the highest down.  I know this is
>     a departure from Bill's Round Robin technique, but we don't
>     necessarily need to get the highest price -- just one that covers
>     what we owe on the house.
>
>      
>
>     Thoughts?
>
>      
>
>     Thanks for a great idea and the encouragement to do it!
>
>      
>
>     Rich and Barb Lang
>
>
>
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From shane.myko at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 10:20:36 2010
From: shane.myko at gmail.com (Shane Weller)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:20:36 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
Not what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
they are doing it legally.

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
people who are willing to pay that.

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
are willing to pay for.

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
Estate Investors.

I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
this and so can you.

Best,
Shane

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <
jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Jeff,
>
>
>
> I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
> based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
> based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.
>
>
>
> As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
> Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
> criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
> confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
> $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
> misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
> hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
> is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
> properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
> them from needing to be licensed.
>
>
>
> What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own
> definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real
> estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting
> buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee,
> or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.
>
>
>
> Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states
> that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
> brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
> primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
> ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
> conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
> result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the
> home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
>
>
>
> All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
> for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
> want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
> mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
> association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
> free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
> the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
> to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
> is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
>
>
>
> Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve
> spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day
> Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required,
> there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in
> conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure
> them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a
> franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>
>
>
> Keep us posted.
>
>
>
> Jim F ? Realtor
>
> Vancouver WA
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate<5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
> =gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Brown
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>
> *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas
> and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
> really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
> their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
> pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
> brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
> the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
> highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
> seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
> Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again!
>
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From shane.myko at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 14:56:50 2010
From: shane.myko at gmail.com (Shane Weller)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:56:50 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....
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Conrad,
How is it that you were able to "assist" people in
NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR,
AND WA. on the five day sale if you were only licensed in CA?

I am guessing you helped all of these people out without compensation? And
out of the goodness of your own heart?

It almost sounds like a scam. I mean how is it that you are able to do this
in so many states and not get penalized, but anyone else who does will be
penalized?

Not being sarcastic here, just trying to figure it out. Im not aware of many
Realtors out there who have so much free time on their hands that they
openly assist people in selling their homes for free.

So whats the catch? How are you able to do this, but noone else is?

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM, <lbicon at aol.com> wrote:

> I was not disrespectful to you in any way. As for my credentials. My Co.
> has been featured on ABC's 20/20 program. I have interviewed by the NY Times
> and many other smaller newpapers. I have assisted countless people in many
> states doing a variation of the 5-day sale sale over the past 5 years.The
> states that I recall off the top of my head are
> NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND
> WA. I am licensed in the state of CA. I am involved in a number of RE CORPS
> as a consultant. My present focus is on distressed RE and I am no longer
> doing "5-day sales" as a consultant. The investment groups that I am
> involved in far are more lucrative for me. You asked the question jokingly
> "Am I wrong?" I answered it. If you are licensed, then why are you asking
> questions about doing this being unlicensed? It really doen't matter what
> you think or I think or for that matter what the attorney that makes an
> opinion thinks. It only matters what the Attorney General in the state that
> the sale takes place thinks. As far as Bill Effros assisting other people
> goes. I don't think that I have ever seen him say he was COMPENSATED for
> that assistance. As far as your question is concerned, I have a
> question. The question that you are asking on this forum has been posed by
> about 100 or so people that complete a 5-day sale and are now "experts". I
> am always wondering why someone would want to be in the business of advising
> people on the sale of Real Estate or having a network of people advising
> people on Real Estate that are not licensed in that state. The most obvious
> answer is that they want to avoid being held accountable for their actions.
> Another answer might be that they do not even want to pass over the minimal
> bar of a state Real Estate licensing authority. I am not saying that they
> need to be REALTORS because that affiliation is expensive. Just licensed.
>
> As you might already have surmised, all of the discussion we are having is
> theoretical. The only way it will be actually tested is when someone who
> isn't satisfied with the service provided. The "client" will then try and
> figure out who to call to complain or even take further action. Who do you
> think that might be? in CA that would be the DRE that has a website for
> consumer complaints. Or it might be t the local Association of Realtors or
> the District Attorney.  Guess where that would lead? Lastly, I am aware of a
> recent case in CA of an "Auction Consultant". He was convicted of
> "practicing RE without a license". He was sentenced to 5 years in a state
> prison and fined $200,000. On appeal the sentence was reduced to six months
> and the fine reduced to $50,000. He had been assisting as a "Marketing
> Consultant" on RE auction in the San Jose, CA. and was neither licensed as
> an Auctioneer or Real Estate Salesperson.
>
> ENOUGH OF THIS I HAVE TO WATCH THE VIKINGS WHIP UP ON THE COWBOYS AND
> HOPEFULLY THE CHARGERS WHIP UP ON THE JETS.
>
> BTW MY NAME IS MIKE SMITH....ON NO THATS NOT IT. IT'S *CONRAD KUIKEN, RE
> Investor,Realtor, Loan Officer,Author........
>
> *
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: janetislight at aol.comadvising
>
> To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....
>
>  I don't think he was being disrespectful as much as being direct.  It you
> just took information and didn't conduct the round robin.... hmmmm maybe,
> depending on your state.  I am not a broker or realtor so I really don't
> know, but yet I've been and investor for years.  What you are saying just
> doesn't "smell" right.
>
> Janet
>
>  In a message dated 1/16/2010 10:30:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> jeff at brown.name writes:
>
>  Ibicon, I don't think I ever said I was right. I posed a question and
> "brainstorm" to the forum for you experts to answer. Comments with a
> negative tone and being disrespectful to people that pose questions on the
> forum I don't think is the tone that is expected here. If you can back your
> statements with facts and experiences that too would be helpful. Going on a
> hunch as to what a lawyer will tell me is not good enough. Do you know the
> license laws in all 50 states? What are your credentials? We can all quote
> law to each other all day about this and that. We're all "experts" when it
> comes to what we can't do in life. Give me a personal experience you've had
> in regard to this. I do believe Bill mentioned in his book he has assisted
> many folk in doing these. Bill's not licensed according to his book. A
> little out-of-the-box thinking is all I was asking which is what this forum
> is all about. It was not my intention to ruffle any feathers to the point of
> disrespect. I think we can all agree to be a little more respectful to each
> others questions regardless of how stupid they may sound to scholars like
> you. By the way, is "Ibicon" your name? My name is Jeff Brown. Thanks Ibicon
> for your understanding. Peace.
>
>
>
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From janetislight at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 11:51:48 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:51:48 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] What did I do?
Message-ID: <2fe9b.4e2086.3885eba4@aol.com>

Bill,
 
You un-subscribed me from the list?  Why?  Have I offended  you?  Have I 
not tried to be supportive to the people on here asking  questions, some times 
getting no answer to their question, so I give it my best  shot?
 
If all of you want me off, at least tell me why.  Don't just "hang-up"  on 
me.
 
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From bill at effros.com  Mon Jan 18 12:14:02 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:14:02 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] What did I do?
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Janet,

As you know, I responded to this at the same time you were writing it, 
and our email crossed.

This was a computer error.  You never offend me, we sometimes disagree.  
I would never hang up on you--it's not my way.

Welcome Back!  Your participation is highly valued.  I'm glad you acted 
so quickly to straighten it out.

Bill



janetislight at aol.com wrote:
> Bill,
>  
> You un-subscribed me from the list?  Why?  Have I offended you?  Have 
> I not tried to be supportive to the people on here asking questions, 
> some times getting no answer to their question, so I give it my best shot?
>  
> If all of you want me off, at least tell me why.  Don't just "hang-up" 
> on me.
>  
> Janet
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From janetislight at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 12:19:07 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:19:07 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] What did I do?
Message-ID: <30ccb.2c679d47.3885f20b@aol.com>

To the Forum.  It was my fault!  Glad I am back!
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2010 11:14:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
bill at effros.com writes:

Janet,

As you know, I responded to  this at the same time you were writing it, and 
our email crossed.

This  was a computer error.  You never offend me, we sometimes disagree.   
I would never hang up on you--it's not my way.

Welcome Back!  Your  participation is highly valued.  I'm glad you acted so 
quickly to  straighten it out.

Bill



_janetislight at aol.com_ (mailto:janetislight at aol.com)  wrote:  
Bill,
 
You un-subscribed me from the list?  Why?  Have I offended  you?  Have I 
not tried to be supportive to the people on here asking  questions, some times 
getting no answer to their question, so I give it my  best shot?
 
If all of you want me off, at least tell me why.  Don't just  "hang-up" on 
me.
 
Janet
 
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From tomhoffman at live.com  Mon Jan 18 17:09:39 2010
From: tomhoffman at live.com (Tom Hoffman)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:09:39 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....
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Hi Jeff,

Now this is a really good question.  I am licensed in Colorado and have helped  a number of

clients in other states conduct a 5 day sale.  We can't legally talk about  payments or compenstations due to the sherman anti-trust act. I am not aware of any state which prohibits an owner from selling their own properties. There is another profession other than real estate agents who are licensed that help owners sell their properties in every state.

When I go out of state I interview local real estate attorneys and have the owners contact the one selected to handle the transaction. I do not write contracts nor negotiate any of the terms of the agreement. This is done between buyer, seller and attorney. In the state of Colorado I do negotiate between, buyers and sellers, write contracts and see the transaction to closing. These are the things I am qualified and licensed to do in this state.

I do not actively seek sellers who are out of state. The ones I have helped have been referrals from those clients  in Colorado who I have helped with their sales. The first suggestion I make to all of my clients is they buy Bill's book.

 

Good luck.

Tom Hoffman-Broker/Owner

Top Priority Realty, LLC

Licensed in Colorado
 


Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:56:50 -0700
From: shane.myko at gmail.com
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....

Conrad,
How is it that you were able to "assist" people in NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND WA. on the five day sale if you were only licensed in CA?

I am guessing you helped all of these people out without compensation? And out of the goodness of your own heart?

It almost sounds like a scam. I mean how is it that you are able to do this in so many states and not get penalized, but anyone else who does will be penalized?

Not being sarcastic here, just trying to figure it out. Im not aware of many Realtors out there who have so much free time on their hands that they openly assist people in selling their homes for free. 

So whats the catch? How are you able to do this, but noone else is?


On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM, <lbicon at aol.com> wrote:


I was not disrespectful to you in any way. As for my credentials. My Co. has been featured on ABC's 20/20 program. I have interviewed by the NY Times and many other smaller newpapers. I have assisted countless people in many states doing a variation of the 5-day sale sale over the past 5 years.The states that I recall off the top of my head are NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND WA. I am licensed in the state of CA. I am involved in a number of RE CORPS as a consultant. My present focus is on distressed RE and I am no longer doing "5-day sales" as a consultant. The investment groups that I am involved in far are more lucrative for me. You asked the question jokingly "Am I wrong?" I answered it. If you are licensed, then why are you asking questions about doing this being unlicensed? It really doen't matter what you think or I think or for that matter what the attorney that makes an opinion thinks. It only matters what the Attorney General in the state that the sale takes place thinks. As far as Bill Effros assisting other people goes. I don't think that I have ever seen him say he was COMPENSATED for that assistance. As far as your question is concerned, I have a question. The question that you are asking on this forum has been posed by about 100 or so people that complete a 5-day sale and are now "experts". I am always wondering why someone would want to be in the business of advising people on the sale of Real Estate or having a network of people advising people on Real Estate that are not licensed in that state. The most obvious answer is that they want to avoid being held accountable for their actions. Another answer might be that they do not even want to pass over the minimal bar of a state Real Estate licensing authority. I am not saying that they need to be REALTORS because that affiliation is expensive. Just licensed.
 
As you might already have surmised, all of the discussion we are having is theoretical. The only way it will be actually tested is when someone who isn't satisfied with the service provided. The "client" will then try and figure out who to call to complain or even take further action. Who do you think that might be? in CA that would be the DRE that has a website for consumer complaints. Or it might be t the local Association of Realtors or the District Attorney.  Guess where that would lead? Lastly, I am aware of a recent case in CA of an "Auction Consultant". He was convicted of "practicing RE without a license". He was sentenced to 5 years in a state prison and fined $200,000. On appeal the sentence was reduced to six months and the fine reduced to $50,000. He had been assisting as a "Marketing Consultant" on RE auction in the San Jose, CA. and was neither licensed as an Auctioneer or Real Estate Salesperson.
 
ENOUGH OF THIS I HAVE TO WATCH THE VIKINGS WHIP UP ON THE COWBOYS AND HOPEFULLY THE CHARGERS WHIP UP ON THE JETS.
 
BTW MY NAME IS MIKE SMITH....ON NO THATS NOT IT. IT'S CONRAD KUIKEN, RE Investor,Realtor, Loan Officer,Author........    








-----Original Message-----
From: janetislight at aol.comadvising 



To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....



I don't think he was being disrespectful as much as being direct.  It you just took information and didn't conduct the round robin.... hmmmm maybe, depending on your state.  I am not a broker or realtor so I really don't know, but yet I've been and investor for years.  What you are saying just doesn't "smell" right.
 
Janet
 

In a message dated 1/16/2010 10:30:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, jeff at brown.name writes:


Ibicon, I don't think I ever said I was right. I posed a question and "brainstorm" to the forum for you experts to answer. Comments with a negative tone and being disrespectful to people that pose questions on the forum I don't think is the tone that is expected here. If you can back your statements with facts and experiences that too would be helpful. Going on a hunch as to what a lawyer will tell me is not good enough. Do you know the license laws in all 50 states? What are your credentials? We can all quote law to each other all day about this and that. We're all "experts" when it comes to what we can't do in life. Give me a personal experience you've had in regard to this. I do believe Bill mentioned in his book he has assisted many folk in doing these. Bill's not licensed according to his book. A little out-of-the-box thinking is all I was asking which is what this forum is all about. It was not my intention to ruffle any feathers to the point of disrespect. I think we can all agree to be a little more respectful to each others questions regardless of how stupid they may sound to scholars like you. By the way, is "Ibicon" your name? My name is Jeff Brown. Thanks Ibicon for your understanding. Peace. 



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From tomhoffman at live.com  Mon Jan 18 17:29:55 2010
From: tomhoffman at live.com (Tom Hoffman)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:29:55 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Hi Shane,

No offense taken by this REALTOR. I have been in this business in many different aspects for almost 25 years and the ones who really scare me are the ones who have atended someones' real estate seminar and are now real estate investors, people who are now experts in foreclosures, short sales, probated properties, rent to own, etc. A little knowledge in the wrong hands can be a very, very dangerous thing.

Sincerely,

Tom Hoffman-Broker/Owner

Top Priority Realty, LLC

Licensed in Colorado
 


Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:20:36 -0700
From: shane.myko at gmail.com
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal. That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!! Not what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and are willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing this and so can you. 

Best,
Shane


On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:




Jeff,
 
I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  
 
As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes them from needing to be licensed.
 
What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  
 
Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
 
All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance, is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
 
Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
 
Keep us posted.
 
Jim F ? Realtor
Vancouver WA
 




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Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 
 
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Shane,
This forum is really set up to assist people who want to sell the home using the "5 Day Method" . I certainly don't want to sidetrack many of the good conversations here about selling homes to go on and on about how to make a business of it. There are plenty of people doing it professionally already. Many of them have basically used concepts that have been espoused by Bill Effros and other pioneers of auction type sales and have called ideas their own. Some are doing it legally and some are doing it trying to skirt the law and work on the fringe hoping they won't get caught. I worked many hours and paid a lot of money for advice on how to accomplish this legally on a national basis. Here is one of the dozen or so ways that I was able to be compensated to help people in others states. Licensed Real Estate Pros can legally be compensated in the form of referral fees from other Licensed RE Pros. The referral fees paid are usually a percentage of a commission paid upon successful closing of the transaction. 

Sincerely,

Conrad Kuiken





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From: Tom Hoffman <tomhoffman at live.com>
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days <5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....


Hi Jeff,
Now this is a really good question.  I am licensed in Colorado and have helped  a number of
clients in other states conduct a 5 day sale.  We can't legally talk about  payments or compenstations due to the sherman anti-trust act. I am not aware of any state which prohibits an owner from selling their own properties. There is another profession other than real estate agents who are licensed that help owners sell their properties in every state.
When I go out of state I interview local real estate attorneys and have the owners contact the one selected to handle the transaction. I do not write contracts nor negotiate any of the terms of the agreement. This is done between buyer, seller and attorney. In the state of Colorado I do negotiate between, buyers and sellers, write contracts and see the transaction to closing. These are the things I am qualified and licensed to do in this state.
I do not actively seek sellers who are out of state. The ones I have helped have been referrals from those clients  in Colorado who I have helped with their sales. The first suggestion I make to all of my clients is they buy Bill's book.
 
Good luck.
Tom Hoffman-Broker/Owner
Top Priority Realty, LLC
Licensed in Colorado
 
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:56:50 -0700
From: shane.myko at gmail.com
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....

Conrad,
How is it that you were able to "assist" people in NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND WA. on the five day sale if you were only licensed in CA?

I am guessing you helped all of these people out without compensation? And out of the goodness of your own heart?

It almost sounds like a scam. I mean how is it that you are able to do this in so many states and not get penalized, but anyone else who does will be penalized?

Not being sarcastic here, just trying to figure it out. Im not aware of many Realtors out there who have so much free time on their hands that they openly assist people in selling their homes for free. 

So whats the catch? How are you able to do this, but noone else is?


On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM, <lbicon at aol.com> wrote:

I was not disrespectful to you in any way. As for my credentials. My Co. has been featured on ABC's 20/20 program. I have interviewed by the NY Times and many other smaller newpapers. I have assisted countless people in many states doing a variation of the 5-day sale sale over the past 5 years.The states that I recall off the top of my head are NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND WA. I am licensed in the state of CA. I am involved in a number of RE CORPS as a consultant. My present focus is on distressed RE and I am no longer doing "5-day sales" as a consultant. The investment groups that I am involved in far are more lucrative for me. You asked the question jokingly "Am I wrong?" I answered it. If you are licensed, then why are you asking questions about doing this being unlicensed? It really doen't matter what you think or I think or for that matter what the attorney that makes an opinion thinks. It only matters what the Attorney General in the state that the sale takes place thinks. As far as Bill Effros assisting other people goes. I don't think that I have ever seen him say he was COMPENSATED for that assistance. As far as your question is concerned, I have a question. The question that you are asking on this forum has been posed by about 100 or so people that complete a 5-day sale and are now "experts". I am always wondering why someone would want to be in the business of advising people on the sale of Real Estate or having a network of people advising people on Real Estate that are not licensed in that state. The most obvious answer is that they want to avoid being held accountable for their actions. Another answer might be that they do not even want to pass over the minimal bar of a state Real Estate licensing authority. I am not saying that they need to be REALTORS because that affiliation is expensive. Just licensed.
 
As you might already have surmised, all of the discussion we are having is theoretical. The only way it will be actually tested is when someone who isn't satisfied with the service provided. The "client" will then try and figure out who to call to complain or even take further action. Who do you think that might be? in CA that would be the DRE that has a website for consumer complaints. Or it might be t the local Association of Realtors or the District Attorney.  Guess where that would lead? Lastly, I am aware of a recent case in CA of an "Auction Consultant". He was convicted of "practicing RE without a license". He was sentenced to 5 years in a state prison and fined $200,000. On appeal the sentence was reduced to six months and the fine reduced to $50,000. He had been assisting as a "Marketing Consultant" on RE auction in the San Jose, CA. and was neither licensed as an Auctioneer or Real Estate Salesperson.
 
ENOUGH OF THIS I HAVE TO WATCH THE VIKINGS WHIP UP ON THE COWBOYS AND HOPEFULLY THE CHARGERS WHIP UP ON THE JETS.
 
BTW MY NAME IS MIKE SMITH....ON NO THATS NOT IT. IT'S CONRAD KUIKEN, RE Investor,Realtor, Loan Officer,Author........    








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I don't think he was being disrespectful as much as being direct.  It you just took information and didn't conduct the round robin.... hmmmm maybe, depending on your state.  I am not a broker or realtor so I really don't know, but yet I've been and investor for years.  What you are saying just doesn't "smell" right.
 
Janet
 

In a message dated 1/16/2010 10:30:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, jeff at brown.name writes:

Ibicon, I don't think I ever said I was right. I posed a question and "brainstorm" to the forum for you experts to answer. Comments with a negative tone and being disrespectful to people that pose questions on the forum I don't think is the tone that is expected here. If you can back your statements with facts and experiences that too would be helpful. Going on a hunch as to what a lawyer will tell me is not good enough. Do you know the license laws in all 50 states? What are your credentials? We can all quote law to each other all day about this and that. We're all "experts" when it comes to what we can't do in life. Give me a personal experience you've had in regard to this. I do believe Bill mentioned in his book he has assisted many folk in doing these. Bill's not licensed according to his book. A little out-of-the-box thinking is all I was asking which is what this forum is all about. It was not my intention to ruffle any feathers to the point of disrespect. I think we can all agree to be a little more respectful to each others questions regardless of how stupid they may sound to scholars like you. By the way, is "Ibicon" your name? My name is Jeff Brown. Thanks Ibicon for your understanding. Peace. 




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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:33:26 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Shane, 
You are hillarious. Guess who my business partner was for the last 5 years? I'll give you a hint his ititials are G.C. My emaill address is one from a long time ago and there is no hidden message. I grew up on Long Beach Island hence LBI and the first 3 letter of my name and my nickname is CON.

BTW I never told anyone that they couldn't do it. I told Jeff that he was better off being licensed. Don't you think that hundreds of people have already approched Bill about starting a consulting business. Guess why it hasn't happened.

CK








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Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:20 am
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Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal. That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!! Not what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and are willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing this and so can you. 

Best,
Shane


On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:


Jeff,
 
I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  
 
As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes them from needing to be licensed.
 
What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  
 
Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
 
All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance, is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
 
Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
 
Keep us posted.
 
Jim F ? Realtor
Vancouver WA
 


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Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 

 


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Well, what about locking up a house on contract with the option to sell it
to another individual. wouldnt I then be able to hold the 5 day sale to find
a buyer I can sell the home to? Is that skirting the law? Is there anything
wrong with that? It seems legit to me. I mean assignments and IEE's are done
all the time in my area. Cant this just be another method of finding a buyer
for me to sell the home to?

I would hate to use this 5 day-method as an investor in the hopes of trying
to find the highest price and then get in legal trouble for it. Because
right now that is the way I understand it. That I can not use this method if
I only have the house on contract. Is this true?



On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM, <lbicon at aol.com> wrote:

> Shane,
> You are *hillarious*. Guess who my business partner was for the last 5
> years? I'll give you a hint his ititials are G.C. My emaill address is one
> from a long time ago and there is no hidden message. I grew up on Long Beach
> Island hence LBI and the first 3 letter of my name and my nickname is CON.
>
> BTW I never told anyone that they couldn't do it. I told Jeff that he was
> better off being licensed. Don't you think that hundreds of people have
> already approched Bill about starting a consulting business. Guess why it
> hasn't happened.
>
> CK
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Weller <shane.myko at gmail.com>
> To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days <
> 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:20 am
> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
> Jeff,
> Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
> That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
> anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
> personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
> offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
> Not what you can do.
>
> First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
> He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
> including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
> in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
> mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
> they are doing it legally.
>
> Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
> of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
> they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
> sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
> REA's!
>
> Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
> run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
> Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
> home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
> people who are willing to pay that.
>
> I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
> public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
> the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
> or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
> school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
> checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".
>
> My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
> their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
> are willing to pay for.
>
> Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
> brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
> Estate Investors.
>
> I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
> forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
> this and so can you.
>
> Best,
> Shane
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <
> jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Jeff,
>>
>> I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
>> based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
>> based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.
>>
>> As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
>> Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
>> criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
>> confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
>> $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
>> misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
>> hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
>> is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
>> properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
>> them from needing to be licensed.
>>
>> What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own
>> definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real
>> estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting
>> buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee,
>> or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.
>>
>> Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states
>> that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
>> brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
>> primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
>> ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
>> conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
>> result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the
>> home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
>>
>> All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is
>> great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If
>> you want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
>> mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
>> association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
>> free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
>> the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
>> to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
>> is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
>>
>> Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve
>> spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day
>> Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required,
>> there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in
>> conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure
>> them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a
>> franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>>
>> Keep us posted.
>>
>> Jim F ? Realtor
>> Vancouver WA
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>  *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
>> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
>> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate<5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
>> =gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
>> Brown
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>>
>> *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>>
>>  Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas
>> and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
>> really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
>> their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
>> pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
>> brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
>> the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
>> highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
>> seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
>> Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again!
>>
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From janetislight at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 19:33:29 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:33:29 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....
Message-ID: <3e91a.7c4b4460.388657d9@aol.com>

Ok, here's the bottom line for me.  If you don't need a license to  
basically bring buyer and seller together and negotiate a price.... then why do  
you EVER need a real estate license?
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2010 4:10:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
tomhoffman at live.com writes:

Hi  Jeff,
Now this is a really good question.  I am licensed in  Colorado and have 
helped  a number of
clients in other states  conduct a 5 day sale.  We can't legally talk about 
 payments or  compenstations due to the sherman anti-trust act. I am not 
aware of any  state which prohibits an owner from selling their own 
properties.  There is another profession other than real estate agents who are  
licensed that help owners sell their properties in every state.
When I  go out of state I interview local real estate attorneys and have 
the owners  contact the one selected to handle the transaction. I do not write 
contracts  nor negotiate any of the terms of the agreement. This is done 
between buyer,  seller and attorney. In the state of Colorado I do negotiate 
between, buyers  and sellers, write contracts and see the transaction to 
closing. These are the  things I am qualified and licensed to do in this state.
I do not actively  seek sellers who are out of state. The ones I have 
helped have been  referrals from those clients  in Colorado who I have helped 
with their  sales. The first suggestion I make to all of my clients is they buy 
Bill's  book.

Good luck.
Tom Hoffman-Broker/Owner
Top Priority  Realty, LLC
Licensed in Colorado

 
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:56:50 -0700
From: shane.myko at gmail.com
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum]  Lets be clear....

Conrad,
How is it that you were able to "assist"  people in NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,S
C,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR,  AND WA. on the five day 
sale if you were only licensed in CA?

I am  guessing you helped all of these people out without compensation? And 
out of  the goodness of your own heart?

It almost sounds like a scam. I mean  how is it that you are able to do 
this in so many states and not get  penalized, but anyone else who does will be 
penalized?

Not being  sarcastic here, just trying to figure it out. Im not aware of 
many Realtors  out there who have so much free time on their hands that they 
openly assist  people in selling their homes for free. 

So whats the catch? How are  you able to do this, but noone else is?

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM, <_lbicon at aol.com_ (mailto:lbicon at aol.com) 
> wrote:

I was not disrespectful to you in any way. As for my credentials. My  Co. 
has been featured on ABC's 20/20 program. I have interviewed by  the NY Times 
and many other smaller newpapers. I have  assisted countless people in many 
states doing a variation of the 5-day  sale sale over the past 5 years.The 
states that I recall off the top of my  head are  
NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND  WA. I am licensed in the 
state of CA. I am involved in a number of RE CORPS  as a consultant. My 
present focus is on distressed RE and I am no longer  doing "5-day sales" as a 
consultant. The investment groups that I am  involved in far are more 
lucrative for me. You asked the question jokingly  "Am I wrong?" I answered it. If 
you are licensed, then why are you asking  questions about doing this being 
unlicensed? It really doen't matter what  you think or I think or for that 
matter what the attorney that makes an  opinion thinks. It only matters what 
the Attorney General in the state that  the sale takes place thinks. As far 
as Bill Effros assisting other people  goes. I don't think that I have ever 
seen him say he was COMPENSATED  for that assistance. As far as your 
question is concerned, I have a  question. The question that you are asking on 
this forum has been posed  by about 100 or so people that complete a 5-day sale 
and are now  "experts". I am always wondering why someone would want to be 
in the  business of advising people on the sale of Real Estate or having a 
network  of people advising people on Real Estate that are not licensed in 
that  state. The most obvious answer is that they want to avoid being held  
accountable for their actions. Another answer might be that they do not  even 
want to pass over the minimal bar of a state Real Estate licensing  
authority. I am not saying that they need to be REALTORS because that  affiliation 
is expensive. Just licensed.
 
As you might already have surmised, all of the discussion we are having  is 
theoretical. The only way it will be actually tested is when someone who  
isn't satisfied with the service provided. The "client" will then try  and 
figure out who to call to complain or even take further action. Who do  you 
think that might be? in CA that would be the DRE that has a website  for 
consumer complaints. Or it might be t the local Association of Realtors  or the 
District Attorney.  Guess where that would lead? Lastly, I  am aware of a 
recent case in CA of an "Auction Consultant". He was convicted  of "practicing 
RE without a license". He was sentenced to 5 years in a state  prison and 
fined $200,000. On appeal the sentence was reduced to six months  and the fine 
reduced to $50,000. He had been assisting as a "Marketing  Consultant" on 
RE auction in the San Jose, CA. and was neither licensed as  an Auctioneer or 
Real Estate Salesperson.
 
ENOUGH OF THIS I HAVE TO WATCH THE VIKINGS WHIP UP ON THE COWBOYS AND  
HOPEFULLY THE CHARGERS WHIP UP ON THE JETS.
 
BTW MY NAME IS MIKE SMITH....ON NO THATS NOT IT. IT'S CONRAD KUIKEN,  RE 
Investor,Realtor, Loan  Officer,Author........    




 



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To: _5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com_ (mailto:5-dayforum at m
ailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com) 
Sent:  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be  clear....


I don't think he was being disrespectful as much as being direct.   It you 
just took information and didn't conduct the round robin.... hmmmm  maybe, 
depending on your state.  I am not a broker or realtor so I  really don't 
know, but yet I've been and investor for years.  What you  are saying just 
doesn't "smell" right.
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2010 10:30:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
_jeff at brown.name_ (mailto:jeff at brown.name)  writes:

 
Ibicon, I don't think I ever said I was right. I posed a question and  
"brainstorm" to the forum for you experts to answer. Comments with a  negative 
tone and being disrespectful to people that pose questions on the  forum I 
don't think is the tone that is expected here. If you can back  your 
statements with facts and experiences that too would be helpful.  Going on a hunch as 
to what a lawyer will tell me is not good enough. Do  you know the license 
laws in all 50 states? What are your credentials? We  can all quote law to 
each other all day about this and that. We're all  "experts" when it comes to 
what we can't do in life. Give me a personal  experience you've had in 
regard to this. I do believe Bill mentioned in  his book he has assisted many 
folk in doing these. Bill's not licensed  according to his book. A little 
out-of-the-box thinking is all I was  asking which is what this forum is all 
about. It was not my intention to  ruffle any feathers to the point of 
disrespect. I think we can all agree  to be a little more respectful to each others 
questions regardless of how  stupid they may sound to scholars like you. By 
the way, is "Ibicon" your  name? My name is Jeff Brown. Thanks Ibicon for 
your understanding.  Peace. 





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From lbicon at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 19:47:47 2010
From: lbicon at aol.com (lbicon at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:47:47 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Shane,

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Your grammar is a little rough. There is a crackdown by law enforcement in some states on "investors" who are taking out options on homes without any true renumeration to the original seller and then reselling the property. I am not an attorney. The original question was about using the method and being paid for it. BTW there is a difference between being legal and legitimate. Have fun in whatever you want to do.

Good Luck,

CK 






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From: Shane Weller <shane.myko at gmail.com>
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days <5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"


Well, what about locking up a house on contract with the option to sell it to another individual. wouldnt I then be able to hold the 5 day sale to find a buyer I can sell the home to? Is that skirting the law? Is there anything wrong with that? It seems legit to me. I mean assignments and IEE's are done all the time in my area. Cant this just be another method of finding a buyer for me to sell the home to? 

I would hate to use this 5 day-method as an investor in the hopes of trying to find the highest price and then get in legal trouble for it. Because right now that is the way I understand it. That I can not use this method if I only have the house on contract. Is this true?




On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM, <lbicon at aol.com> wrote:

Shane, 
You are hillarious. Guess who my business partner was for the last 5 years? I'll give you a hint his ititials are G.C. My emaill address is one from a long time ago and there is no hidden message. I grew up on Long Beach Island hence LBI and the first 3 letter of my name and my nickname is CON.
 
BTW I never told anyone that they couldn't do it. I told Jeff that he was better off being licensed. Don't you think that hundreds of people have already approched Bill about starting a consulting business. Guess why it hasn't happened.
 
CK


 


 




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To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days <5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:20 am
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"


Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal. That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!! Not what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and are willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing this and so can you. 

Best,
Shane


On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:


Jeff,
 
I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  
 
As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes them from needing to be licensed.
 
What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  
 
Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
 
All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance, is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
 
Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
 
Keep us posted.
 
Jim F ? Realtor
Vancouver WA
 


From: 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Brown
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Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 

 


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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:55:56 -0500
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Janet,

Your clarity is refreshing. Well said.

CK






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Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....


Ok, here's the bottom line for me.  If you don't need a license to basically bring buyer and seller together and negotiate a price.... then why do you EVER need a real estate license?
 
Janet
 

In a message dated 1/18/2010 4:10:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, tomhoffman at live.com writes:
Hi Jeff,
Now this is a really good question.  I am licensed in Colorado and have helped  a number of
clients in other states conduct a 5 day sale.  We can't legally talk about  payments or compenstations due to the sherman anti-trust act. I am not aware of any state which prohibits an owner from selling their own properties. There is another profession other than real estate agents who are licensed that help owners sell their properties in every state.
When I go out of state I interview local real estate attorneys and have the owners contact the one selected to handle the transaction. I do not write contracts nor negotiate any of the terms of the agreement. This is done between buyer, seller and attorney. In the state of Colorado I do negotiate between, buyers and sellers, write contracts and see the transaction to closing. These are the things I am qualified and licensed to do in this state.
I do not actively seek sellers who are out of state. The ones I have helped have been referrals from those clients  in Colorado who I have helped with their sales. The first suggestion I make to all of my clients is they buy Bill's book.
 
Good luck.
Tom Hoffman-Broker/Owner
Top Priority Realty, LLC
Licensed in Colorado
 
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:56:50 -0700
From: shane.myko at gmail.com
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....

Conrad,
How is it that you were able to "assist" people in NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND WA. on the five day sale if you were only licensed in CA?

I am guessing you helped all of these people out without compensation? And out of the goodness of your own heart?

It almost sounds like a scam. I mean how is it that you are able to do this in so many states and not get penalized, but anyone else who does will be penalized?

Not being sarcastic here, just trying to figure it out. Im not aware of many Realtors out there who have so much free time on their hands that they openly assist people in selling their homes for free. 

So whats the catch? How are you able to do this, but noone else is?


On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM, <lbicon at aol.com> wrote:

I was not disrespectful to you in any way. As for my credentials. My Co. has been featured on ABC's 20/20 program. I have interviewed by the NY Times and many other smaller newpapers. I have assisted countless people in many states doing a variation of the 5-day sale sale over the past 5 years.The states that I recall off the top of my head are NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND WA. I am licensed in the state of CA. I am involved in a number of RE CORPS as a consultant. My present focus is on distressed RE and I am no longer doing "5-day sales" as a consultant. The investment groups that I am involved in far are more lucrative for me. You asked the question jokingly "Am I wrong?" I answered it. If you are licensed, then why are you asking questions about doing this being unlicensed? It really doen't matter what you think or I think or for that matter what the attorney that makes an opinion thinks. It only matters what the Attorney General in the state that the sale takes place thinks. As far as Bill Effros assisting other people goes. I don't think that I have ever seen him say he was COMPENSATED for that assistance. As far as your question is concerned, I have a question. The question that you are asking on this forum has been posed by about 100 or so people that complete a 5-day sale and are now "experts". I am always wondering why someone would want to be in the business of advising people on the sale of Real Estate or having a network of people advising people on Real Estate that are not licensed in that state. The most obvious answer is that they want to avoid being held accountable for their actions. Another answer might be that they do not even want to pass over the minimal bar of a state Real Estate licensing authority. I am not saying that they need to be REALTORS because that affiliation is expensive. Just licensed.
 
As you might already have surmised, all of the discussion we are having is theoretical. The only way it will be actually tested is when someone who isn't satisfied with the service provided. The "client" will then try and figure out who to call to complain or even take further action. Who do you think that might be? in CA that would be the DRE that has a website for consumer complaints. Or it might be t the local Association of Realtors or the District Attorney.  Guess where that would lead? Lastly, I am aware of a recent case in CA of an "Auction Consultant". He was convicted of "practicing RE without a license". He was sentenced to 5 years in a state prison and fined $200,000. On appeal the sentence was reduced to six months and the fine reduced to $50,000. He had been assisting as a "Marketing Consultant" on RE auction in the San Jose, CA. and was neither licensed as an Auctioneer or Real Estate Salesperson.
 
ENOUGH OF THIS I HAVE TO WATCH THE VIKINGS WHIP UP ON THE COWBOYS AND HOPEFULLY THE CHARGERS WHIP UP ON THE JETS.
 
BTW MY NAME IS MIKE SMITH....ON NO THATS NOT IT. IT'S CONRAD KUIKEN, RE Investor,Realtor, Loan Officer,Author........    








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To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....


I don't think he was being disrespectful as much as being direct.  It you just took information and didn't conduct the round robin.... hmmmm maybe, depending on your state.  I am not a broker or realtor so I really don't know, but yet I've been and investor for years.  What you are saying just doesn't "smell" right.
 
Janet
 

In a message dated 1/16/2010 10:30:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, jeff at brown.name writes:

Ibicon, I don't think I ever said I was right. I posed a question and "brainstorm" to the forum for you experts to answer. Comments with a negative tone and being disrespectful to people that pose questions on the forum I don't think is the tone that is expected here. If you can back your statements with facts and experiences that too would be helpful. Going on a hunch as to what a lawyer will tell me is not good enough. Do you know the license laws in all 50 states? What are your credentials? We can all quote law to each other all day about this and that. We're all "experts" when it comes to what we can't do in life. Give me a personal experience you've had in regard to this. I do believe Bill mentioned in his book he has assisted many folk in doing these. Bill's not licensed according to his book. A little out-of-the-box thinking is all I was asking which is what this forum is all about. It was not my intention to ruffle any feathers to the point of disrespect. I think we can all agree to be a little more respectful to each others questions regardless of how stupid they may sound to scholars like you. By the way, is "Ibicon" your name? My name is Jeff Brown. Thanks Ibicon for your understanding. Peace. 




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From: jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com (James Fleming)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:11:06 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Shane,

 

George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don't mean to sound critical,
but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?

 

Jim F

 

  _____  

From:
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mein5days.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtose
llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
Not what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
are willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
this and so can you. 

Best,
Shane

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Jeff,

 

I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  

 

As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
$4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
them from needing to be licensed.

 

What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition,
but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate
transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers
and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in
the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  

 

Your contention that you can't find any information anywhere that states
that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
"strictly pricing" the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to "strictly pricing" the
home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.

 

All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
association's legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.

 

Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you've spent
some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings
can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are
loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting
them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to
avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise,
if you come up with the right approach.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 

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Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM


To: 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and
Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 

 


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From janetislight at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 20:14:57 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:14:57 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
Message-ID: <3fb6b.34362d8d.38866191@aol.com>

I am a real estate investor and own my properties.  I'm a cash kind of  
gal, so what you are saying piqued my interest on how others do it.  If you  
have the house on contract.... what do you mean.  Did you buy it on  contract, 
not closed on it and are selling the contract to another?  As  I understand 
it, if you buy say 10 dollars worth of a house, then you are  clear.  You 
have an interest in the property.
 
This is an interesting topic!
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2010 5:56:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
shane.myko at gmail.com writes:

Well, what about locking up a  house on contract with the option to sell it 
to another individual. wouldnt I  then be able to hold the 5 day sale to 
find a buyer I can sell the home to? Is  that skirting the law? Is there 
anything wrong with that? It seems legit to  me. I mean assignments and IEE's are 
done all the time in my area. Cant this  just be another method of finding 
a buyer for me to sell the home to?  

I would hate to use this 5 day-method as an investor in  the hopes of 
trying to find the highest price and then get in legal trouble  for it. Because 
right now that is the way I understand it. That I can not use  this method if 
I only have the house on contract. Is this  true?



On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM, <_lbicon at aol.com_ (mailto:lbicon at aol.com) 
> wrote:

Shane, 
You are hillarious. Guess who my business partner was for the  last 5 
years? I'll give you a hint his ititials are G.C. My emaill address  is one from 
a long time ago and there is no hidden message. I grew up on  Long Beach 
Island hence LBI and the first 3 letter of my name and my  nickname is CON.
 
BTW I never told anyone that they couldn't do it. I told Jeff that he  was 
better off being licensed. Don't you think that hundreds of people have  
already approched Bill about starting a consulting business. Guess why it  
hasn't happened.
 
CK
 

 







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From: Shane Weller <_shane.myko at gmail.com_ (mailto:shane.myko at gmail.com) >
To: How To Sell Your Home in  5-Days 
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Sent:  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:20 am
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing  consultant"

Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it  is illegal. 
That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take  advice from 
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my  own personal 
"smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor  either. No offense 
to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you  CANT DO!! Not 
what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the  name of George Cappony that is doing 
it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has  been featured on several major 
networks including 20/20, Fox News, and  others. So how can that guy run 5-day 
sales in every state legally if he  isnt a licensed REA in every state? See 
what I mean? People are doing this,  they are doing it without an REA license, 
and they are doing it legally.  

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar  method 
of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100%  sure. But 
they are and if there was something wrong with what they were  doing I am 
sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they  are not REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a  new one. Maybe you can 
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for  your home" or "Fair 
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she  wants to sell the 
home at the price that was determined. If they do, then  they have a list of 
people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see  anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the 
public is  willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just 
the facts.  What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts 
or values  that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and 
school,  kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can 
be checked  on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are  values in a home that appraisers can not put 
in their little appraisal  forms. These are the values that real people see 
and are willing to pay for.  

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real  estate 
brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing  as Real 
Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what  is not possible that they have 
forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into  Assignments. Someone is doing 
this and so can you.  

Best,
Shane

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming 
<_jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com_ (mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com) > wrote:


 
Jeff,
 
I will respond to your  question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but 
based upon my own  understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and 
based upon  checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee. 
 

As a former Texas Broker you  know that in Texas, according to the Real 
Estate License Act, practicing  real estate without an active license is a 
criminal offense; specifically,  a Class A misdemeanor punishable by confinement 
of up to one year in a  county jail and a fine of up to $4,000.00.  
Unlicensed activity in  Florida can result in a first degree misdemeanor criminal 
charge and a  fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences hold in Tennessee.  On 
a  related note, I was told that Florida in particular is cracking down on  
people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties constitutes  
taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes them from needing to  be 
licensed.
 
What constitutes practicing  real estate?  Each state has its own 
definition, but in general  almost every activity connected with a real estate 
transaction, including  negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers and 
sellers, when  performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in the 
expectation  of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  
 
Your contention that you  can?t find any information anywhere that states 
that ?strictly pricing? a  home is an act of real estate reserved only for 
brokers does have merit,  however.  In fact, that practice is reserved 
primarily for licensed  appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do ?
strictly pricing?  the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by 
conducting a 5-day  sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may result  
in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the  home. 
 It IS the equivalent to practicing real  estate.
 
All of this is solely my  take on the issues.  A forum such as this is 
great for sharing  perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you 
want  more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states  
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your  
association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the  other free 
alternative is to contact the respective departments of  licensing in the states 
where you intend to conduct your 5 Day  Pricings.  The only place to get 
actual and actionable legal advice,  covered by malpractice insurance, is from 
a lawyer who provides it to you,  as a client, for a fee.
 
Good luck in your quest for  clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve 
spent some time and effort  looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day 
Pricings can be  conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there 
are loads of  people around the country who would be interested in conducting 
them  commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to 
avoid  prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise,  
if you come up with the right approach.
 
Keep us  posted.
 
Jim F ?  Realtor
Vancouver WA
 
 
  
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Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a  "pricing consultant"


 
 
 
Thanks to all  for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas 
and Florida. So  i understand license law...my only question here was: are we 
really  "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of 
their  home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that 
"strictly  pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty  
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of  the 
5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The  
highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the  seller 
to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As  Mr. Bill 
O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 


 



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From shane.myko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 22:43:56 2010
From: shane.myko at gmail.com (Shane Weller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:43:56 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Janet,
Yes. that is exactly right. I am using a no money down technique. I bought
it on contract and have not closed on it. I leave the contract open for 30
days with the option to purchase it myself, sell it to another individual,
or walk away. This way I have time to find *my own* "end" buyer for the
property before I buy it. Then I do a simultaneous closing where I buy the
property from the seller and immediately sell it to my "end" buyer.

I thought the 5day sale would be a more efficient way of finding a buyer and
a sale price for properties that I lock up on contract. Now according to
what I am reading on this forum people are getting fined and locked up in
prison for doing this. It just doesnt make sense. When did the IEE become
illegal?




On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:14 PM, <janetislight at aol.com> wrote:

>  I am a real estate investor and own my properties.  I'm a cash kind of
> gal, so what you are saying piqued my interest on how others do it.  If you
> have the house on contract.... what do you mean.  Did you buy it on
> contract, not closed on it and are selling the contract to another?  As
> I understand it, if you buy say 10 dollars worth of a house, then you are
> clear.  You have an interest in the property.
>
> This is an interesting topic!
>
> Janet
>
>  In a message dated 1/18/2010 5:56:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> shane.myko at gmail.com writes:
>
> Well, what about locking up a house on contract with the option to sell it
> to another individual. wouldnt I then be able to hold the 5 day sale to find
> a buyer I can sell the home to? Is that skirting the law? Is there anything
> wrong with that? It seems legit to me. I mean assignments and IEE's are done
> all the time in my area. Cant this just be another method of finding a buyer
> for me to sell the home to?
>
> I would hate to use this 5 day-method as an investor in the hopes of trying
> to find the highest price and then get in legal trouble for it. Because
> right now that is the way I understand it. That I can not use this method if
> I only have the house on contract. Is this true?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM, <lbicon at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Shane,
>> You are *hillarious*. Guess who my business partner was for the last 5
>> years? I'll give you a hint his ititials are G.C. My emaill address is one
>> from a long time ago and there is no hidden message. I grew up on Long Beach
>> Island hence LBI and the first 3 letter of my name and my nickname is CON.
>>
>> BTW I never told anyone that they couldn't do it. I told Jeff that he was
>> better off being licensed. Don't you think that hundreds of people have
>> already approched Bill about starting a consulting business. Guess why it
>> hasn't happened.
>>
>> CK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shane Weller <shane.myko at gmail.com>
>> To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days <
>> 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:20 am
>> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>>
>> Jeff,
>> Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
>> That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
>> anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
>> personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
>> offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
>> Not what you can do.
>>
>> First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing
>> it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major
>> networks including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run
>> 5-day sales in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state?
>> See what I mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA
>> license, and they are doing it legally.
>>
>> Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
>> of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
>> they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
>> sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
>> REA's!
>>
>> Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
>> run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
>> Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
>> home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
>> people who are willing to pay that.
>>
>> I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
>> public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
>> the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
>> or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
>> school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
>> checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".
>>
>> My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put
>> in their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see
>> and are willing to pay for.
>>
>> Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
>> brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
>> Estate Investors.
>>
>> I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
>> forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
>> this and so can you.
>>
>> Best,
>> Shane
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <
>> jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Jeff,
>>>
>>> I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
>>> based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
>>> based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.
>>>
>>> As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
>>> Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
>>> criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
>>> confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
>>> $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
>>> misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
>>> hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
>>> is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
>>> properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
>>> them from needing to be licensed.
>>>
>>> What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own
>>> definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real
>>> estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting
>>> buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee,
>>> or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.
>>>
>>> Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states
>>> that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
>>> brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
>>> primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
>>> ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
>>> conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
>>> result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the
>>> home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
>>>
>>> All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is
>>> great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If
>>> you want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
>>> mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
>>> association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
>>> free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
>>> the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
>>> to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
>>> is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
>>>
>>> Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve
>>> spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day
>>> Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required,
>>> there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in
>>> conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure
>>> them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a
>>> franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>>>
>>> Keep us posted.
>>>
>>> Jim F ? Realtor
>>> Vancouver WA
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
>>> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
>>> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate<5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
>>> =gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
>>> Brown
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>>> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>>>
>>>  Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee,
>>> Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was:
>>> are we really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the
>>> FMV of their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that
>>> "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us
>>> lofty brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the
>>> end of the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal!
>>> The highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
>>> seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
>>> Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again!
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From shane.myko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 22:53:11 2010
From: shane.myko at gmail.com (Shane Weller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:53:11 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Jim.
I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the
phrase:

"Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years
ago."

This is according to Cappony's website:
http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm

Best,
Shane




On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming <
jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

>   Shane,
>
>
>
> George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don?t mean to sound critical,
> but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?
>
>
>
> Jim F
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate<5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
> =gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] *On Behalf Of *Shane
> Weller
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM
>
> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Jeff,
> Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
> That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
> anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
> personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
> offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
> Not what you can do.
>
> First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
> He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
> including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
> in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
> mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
> they are doing it legally.
>
> Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
> of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
> they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
> sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
> REA's!
>
> Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
> run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
> Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
> home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
> people who are willing to pay that.
>
> I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
> public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
> the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
> or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
> school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
> checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".
>
> My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
> their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
> are willing to pay for.
>
> Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
> brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
> Estate Investors.
>
> I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
> forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
> this and so can you.
>
> Best,
> Shane
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <
> jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
>
>
> I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
> based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
> based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.
>
>
>
> As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
> Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
> criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
> confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
> $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
> misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
> hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
> is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
> properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
> them from needing to be licensed.
>
>
>
> What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own
> definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real
> estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting
> buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee,
> or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.
>
>
>
> Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states
> that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
> brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
> primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
> ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
> conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
> result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the
> home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
>
>
>
> All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
> for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
> want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
> mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
> association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
> free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
> the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
> to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
> is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
>
>
>
> Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve
> spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day
> Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required,
> there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in
> conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure
> them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a
> franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>
>
>
> Keep us posted.
>
>
>
> Jim F ? Realtor
>
> Vancouver WA
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate<5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
> =gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Brown
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>
>
> *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas
> and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
> really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
> their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
> pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
> brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
> the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
> highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
> seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
> Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again!
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/5-dayforum
>
>
>
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From tomhoffman at live.com  Mon Jan 18 23:15:31 2010
From: tomhoffman at live.com (Tom Hoffman)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:15:31 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....
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Janet,

You do not need a license to bring a buyer and seller together. Anyone can introduce a potential buyer to a potential seller but if you are going to practice law even in a limited capacity as legislated by each state then I would highly suggest one get either a real estate license or become an attorney.
Tom 


To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:55:56 -0500
From: lbicon at aol.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....


Janet,
 
Your clarity is refreshing. Well said.
 
CK





-----Original Message-----
From: janetislight at aol.com
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....



Ok, here's the bottom line for me.  If you don't need a license to basically bring buyer and seller together and negotiate a price.... then why do you EVER need a real estate license?
 
Janet
 

In a message dated 1/18/2010 4:10:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, tomhoffman at live.com writes:
Hi Jeff,
Now this is a really good question.  I am licensed in Colorado and have helped  a number of
clients in other states conduct a 5 day sale.  We can't legally talk about  payments or compenstations due to the sherman anti-trust act. I am not aware of any state which prohibits an owner from selling their own properties. There is another profession other than real estate agents who are licensed that help owners sell their properties in every state.
When I go out of state I interview local real estate attorneys and have the owners contact the one selected to handle the transaction. I do not write contracts nor negotiate any of the terms of the agreement. This is done between buyer, seller and attorney. In the state of Colorado I do negotiate between, buyers and sellers, write contracts and see the transaction to closing. These are the things I am qualified and licensed to do in this state.
I do not actively seek sellers who are out of state. The ones I have helped have been referrals from those clients  in Colorado who I have helped with their sales. The first suggestion I make to all of my clients is they buy Bill's book.
 
Good luck.
Tom Hoffman-Broker/Owner
Top Priority Realty, LLC
Licensed in Colorado
 


Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:56:50 -0700
From: shane.myko at gmail.com
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....

Conrad,
How is it that you were able to "assist" people in NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND WA. on the five day sale if you were only licensed in CA?

I am guessing you helped all of these people out without compensation? And out of the goodness of your own heart?

It almost sounds like a scam. I mean how is it that you are able to do this in so many states and not get penalized, but anyone else who does will be penalized?

Not being sarcastic here, just trying to figure it out. Im not aware of many Realtors out there who have so much free time on their hands that they openly assist people in selling their homes for free. 

So whats the catch? How are you able to do this, but noone else is?


On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM, <lbicon at aol.com> wrote:


I was not disrespectful to you in any way. As for my credentials. My Co. has been featured on ABC's 20/20 program. I have interviewed by the NY Times and many other smaller newpapers. I have assisted countless people in many states doing a variation of the 5-day sale sale over the past 5 years.The states that I recall off the top of my head are NY,NJ,CT,MA,ME,TN,GA,SC,NC,FL,MS,AL,LA,TX,OH,IL,IN,MN,MI,WI,CO,CA,AZ,OR, AND WA. I am licensed in the state of CA. I am involved in a number of RE CORPS as a consultant. My present focus is on distressed RE and I am no longer doing "5-day sales" as a consultant. The investment groups that I am involved in far are more lucrative for me. You asked the question jokingly "Am I wrong?" I answered it. If you are licensed, then why are you asking questions about doing this being unlicensed? It really doen't matter what you think or I think or for that matter what the attorney that makes an opinion thinks. It only matters what the Attorney General in the state that the sale takes place thinks. As far as Bill Effros assisting other people goes. I don't think that I have ever seen him say he was COMPENSATED for that assistance. As far as your question is concerned, I have a question. The question that you are asking on this forum has been posed by about 100 or so people that complete a 5-day sale and are now "experts". I am always wondering why someone would want to be in the business of advising people on the sale of Real Estate or having a network of people advising people on Real Estate that are not licensed in that state. The most obvious answer is that they want to avoid being held accountable for their actions. Another answer might be that they do not even want to pass over the minimal bar of a state Real Estate licensing authority. I am not saying that they need to be REALTORS because that affiliation is expensive. Just licensed.
 
As you might already have surmised, all of the discussion we are having is theoretical. The only way it will be actually tested is when someone who isn't satisfied with the service provided. The "client" will then try and figure out who to call to complain or even take further action. Who do you think that might be? in CA that would be the DRE that has a website for consumer complaints. Or it might be t the local Association of Realtors or the District Attorney.  Guess where that would lead? Lastly, I am aware of a recent case in CA of an "Auction Consultant". He was convicted of "practicing RE without a license". He was sentenced to 5 years in a state prison and fined $200,000. On appeal the sentence was reduced to six months and the fine reduced to $50,000. He had been assisting as a "Marketing Consultant" on RE auction in the San Jose, CA. and was neither licensed as an Auctioneer or Real Estate Salesperson.
 
ENOUGH OF THIS I HAVE TO WATCH THE VIKINGS WHIP UP ON THE COWBOYS AND HOPEFULLY THE CHARGERS WHIP UP ON THE JETS.
 
BTW MY NAME IS MIKE SMITH....ON NO THATS NOT IT. IT'S CONRAD KUIKEN, RE Investor,Realtor, Loan Officer,Author........    








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Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Lets be clear....



I don't think he was being disrespectful as much as being direct.  It you just took information and didn't conduct the round robin.... hmmmm maybe, depending on your state.  I am not a broker or realtor so I really don't know, but yet I've been and investor for years.  What you are saying just doesn't "smell" right.
 
Janet
 

In a message dated 1/16/2010 10:30:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, jeff at brown.name writes:


Ibicon, I don't think I ever said I was right. I posed a question and "brainstorm" to the forum for you experts to answer. Comments with a negative tone and being disrespectful to people that pose questions on the forum I don't think is the tone that is expected here. If you can back your statements with facts and experiences that too would be helpful. Going on a hunch as to what a lawyer will tell me is not good enough. Do you know the license laws in all 50 states? What are your credentials? We can all quote law to each other all day about this and that. We're all "experts" when it comes to what we can't do in life. Give me a personal experience you've had in regard to this. I do believe Bill mentioned in his book he has assisted many folk in doing these. Bill's not licensed according to his book. A little out-of-the-box thinking is all I was asking which is what this forum is all about. It was not my intention to ruffle any feathers to the point of disrespect. I think we can all agree to be a little more respectful to each others questions regardless of how stupid they may sound to scholars like you. By the way, is "Ibicon" your name? My name is Jeff Brown. Thanks Ibicon for your understanding. Peace. 



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From jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 00:51:32 2010
From: jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com (James Fleming)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:51:32 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Shane,

 

Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros endorsed/endorses
George Cappony.  George's site looks very interesting; I encourage anyone
who hasn't visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken Bill's system to a
new level.

 

Jim F - Realtor 

Vancouver WA

 

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From:
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mein5days.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtose
llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jim.
I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the
phrase: 

"Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years
ago."

This is according to Cappony's website:
http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm

Best,
Shane





On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Shane,

 

George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don't mean to sound critical,
but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?

 

Jim F

 

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Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM


To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days

Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
Not what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
are willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
this and so can you. 

Best,
Shane

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Jeff,

 

I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  

 

As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
$4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
them from needing to be licensed.

 

What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition,
but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate
transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers
and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in
the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  

 

Your contention that you can't find any information anywhere that states
that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
"strictly pricing" the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to "strictly pricing" the
home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.

 

All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
association's legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.

 

Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you've spent
some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings
can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are
loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting
them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to
avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise,
if you come up with the right approach.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 

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mein5days.com [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
<mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Brown
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM


To: 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and
Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 

 


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From shane.myko at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 01:00:50 2010
From: shane.myko at gmail.com (Shane Weller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:00:50 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Yeah Jim,
but how is that he is able to take it to the next level and not anyone else?
How is it possible that he is not legally bound to the normal RE laws that
you and I are bound to? What I am asking is, how is it alright for him to be
a "consultant" in several states yet illegal for us to run the same game.
Isnt he bringing together buyer and seller? Isnt he getting paid a fee for
his services in finding a buyer and negotiating a price? How can he do this
in states he is not licensed? How come we cant do the same thing. How can
something like this be legal for one person but illegal for another? I just
dont understand and that is what I am trying to get to the bottom of.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:51 PM, James Fleming <
jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

>   Shane,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros
> endorsed/endorses George Cappony.  George?s site looks very interesting; I
> encourage anyone who hasn?t visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken
> Bill?s system to a new level.
>
>
>
> Jim F ? Realtor
>
> Vancouver WA
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate<5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
> =gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] *On Behalf Of *Shane
> Weller
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
>
> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Jim.
> I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the
> phrase:
>
> "Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years
> ago."
>
> This is according to Cappony's website:
> http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm
>
> Best,
> Shane
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming <
> jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Shane,
>
>
>
> George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don?t mean to sound critical,
> but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?
>
>
>
> Jim F
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate<5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
> =gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] *On Behalf Of *Shane
> Weller
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM
>
>
> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
>
> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Jeff,
> Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
> That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
> anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
> personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
> offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
> Not what you can do.
>
> First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
> He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
> including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
> in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
> mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
> they are doing it legally.
>
> Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
> of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
> they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
> sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
> REA's!
>
> Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
> run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
> Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
> home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
> people who are willing to pay that.
>
> I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
> public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
> the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
> or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
> school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
> checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".
>
> My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
> their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
> are willing to pay for.
>
> Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
> brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
> Estate Investors.
>
> I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
> forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
> this and so can you.
>
> Best,
> Shane
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <
> jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
>
>
> I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
> based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
> based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.
>
>
>
> As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
> Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
> criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
> confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
> $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
> misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
> hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
> is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
> properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
> them from needing to be licensed.
>
>
>
> What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own
> definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real
> estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting
> buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee,
> or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.
>
>
>
> Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states
> that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
> brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
> primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
> ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
> conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
> result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the
> home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
>
>
>
> All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
> for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
> want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
> mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
> association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
> free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
> the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
> to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
> is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
>
>
>
> Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve
> spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day
> Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required,
> there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in
> conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure
> them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a
> franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>
>
>
> Keep us posted.
>
>
>
> Jim F ? Realtor
>
> Vancouver WA
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate<5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
> =gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Brown
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>
>
> *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas
> and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
> really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
> their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
> pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
> brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
> the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
> highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
> seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
> Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again!
>
>
>
>
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From jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 01:36:41 2010
From: jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com (James Fleming)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:36:41 -0800
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Shane,

 

He must comply with the law just like the rest of us.  In going through his
site, he appears to do just that.  He charges his fees for products and
consulting services.  He does not find a buyer or negotiate a price.  Check
out http://www.5-daysale.com/products/index.php for the products that he
sells: Bill's book for $10 a copy, yard signs starting at $595, sign
spinners for $225, an online control panel with access to George's database
of forms and information starting at $599, custom "site specific" 5-day
websites starting at $749, direct mail campaigns starting at $695, direct
post card campaigns starting at $1,195, and so on.  I didn't see the rate,
but following a free 30-minute consultation, he probably also charges for
his consulting and coaching.

 

My guess is that if you want to do something along these lines, and don't
violate any copyrights of Bill's or George's, you will be fine.  

 

Jim F - Realtor 

Vancouver WA

 

 

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mein5days.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtose
llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:01 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Yeah Jim,
but how is that he is able to take it to the next level and not anyone else?
How is it possible that he is not legally bound to the normal RE laws that
you and I are bound to? What I am asking is, how is it alright for him to be
a "consultant" in several states yet illegal for us to run the same game.
Isnt he bringing together buyer and seller? Isnt he getting paid a fee for
his services in finding a buyer and negotiating a price? How can he do this
in states he is not licensed? How come we cant do the same thing. How can
something like this be legal for one person but illegal for another? I just
dont understand and that is what I am trying to get to the bottom of. 

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:51 PM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Shane,

 

Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros endorsed/endorses
George Cappony.  George's site looks very interesting; I encourage anyone
who hasn't visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken Bill's system to a
new level.

 

Jim F - Realtor 

Vancouver WA

 

  _____  

From:
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mein5days.com [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
<mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM


To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jim.
I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the
phrase: 

"Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years
ago."

This is according to Cappony's website:
http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm

Best,
Shane




On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Shane,

 

George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don't mean to sound critical,
but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?

 

Jim F

 

  _____  

From:
5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourho
mein5days.com [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
<mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM


To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days

Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
Not what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
are willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
this and so can you. 

Best,
Shane

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Jeff,

 

I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  

 

As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
$4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
them from needing to be licensed.

 

What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition,
but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate
transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers
and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in
the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  

 

Your contention that you can't find any information anywhere that states
that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
"strictly pricing" the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to "strictly pricing" the
home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.

 

All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
association's legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.

 

Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you've spent
some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings
can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are
loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting
them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to
avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise,
if you come up with the right approach.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 

  _____  

From:
5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourho
mein5days.com [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
<mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Brown
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM


To: 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and
Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 

 


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From rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  Tue Jan 19 07:02:21 2010
From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com (Rosemarie Belcher)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:02:21 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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I hope Bill will weigh in on this one, but my understanding is that he does NOT endorse George Cappony.
Rosemarie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Fleming 
  To: 'How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days' 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"


  Shane,

   

  Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros endorsed/endorses George Cappony.  George's site looks very interesting; I encourage anyone who hasn't visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken Bill's system to a new level.

   

  Jim F - Realtor 

  Vancouver WA

   


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  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
  To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
  Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

   

  Jim.
  I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the phrase: 

  "Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years ago."

  This is according to Cappony's website: http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm

  Best,
  Shane





  On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

  Shane,

   

  George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don't mean to sound critical, but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?

   

  Jim F

   


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  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM


  To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days

  Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

   

  Jeff,
  Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal. That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!! Not what you can do.

  First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and they are doing it legally. 

  Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not REA's!

  Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of people who are willing to pay that. 

  I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

  My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and are willing to pay for. 

  Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real Estate Investors. 

  I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing this and so can you. 

  Best,
  Shane

  On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

  Jeff,

   

  I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  

   

  As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes them from needing to be licensed.

   

  What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  

   

  Your contention that you can't find any information anywhere that states that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do "strictly pricing" the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to "strictly pricing" the home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.

   

  All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your association's legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance, is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.

   

  Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you've spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise, if you come up with the right approach.

   

  Keep us posted.

   

  Jim F - Realtor

  Vancouver WA

   


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  Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM


  To: 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
  Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

   

  Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 

   


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From janetislight at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 10:38:26 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:38:26 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
Message-ID: <5862.1be11205.38872bf2@aol.com>

I have no idea, so I'm just going to keep reading.  LOL
 
Good Luck!
 
Janet
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2010 9:47:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
shane.myko at gmail.com writes:

Janet,
Yes. that is exactly right. I am using a no money down  technique. I bought 
it on contract and have not closed on it. I leave the  contract open for 30 
days with the option to purchase it myself, sell it to  another individual, 
or walk away. This way I have time to find my own  "end" buyer for the 
property before I buy it. Then I do a simultaneous closing  where I buy the 
property from the seller and immediately sell it to my "end"  buyer. 

I thought the 5day sale would be a more efficient way of  finding a buyer 
and a sale price for properties that I lock up on contract.  Now according to 
what I am reading on this forum people are getting fined and  locked up in 
prison for doing this. It just doesnt make sense. When did the  IEE become 
illegal? 




On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:14 PM, <_janetislight at aol.com_ 
(mailto:janetislight at aol.com) >  wrote:


I am a real estate investor and own my properties.  I'm a cash  kind of 
gal, so what you are saying piqued my interest on how others do  it.  If you 
have the house on contract.... what do you mean.  Did  you buy it on contract, 
not closed on it and are selling the contract to  another?  As I understand 
it, if you buy say 10 dollars worth of a  house, then you are clear.  You 
have an interest in the property.
 
This is an interesting topic!
 
Janet
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2010 5:56:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
_shane.myko at gmail.com_ (mailto:shane.myko at gmail.com)  writes:


Well, what  about locking up a house on contract with the option to sell it 
to another  individual. wouldnt I then be able to hold the 5 day sale to 
find a buyer  I can sell the home to? Is that skirting the law? Is there 
anything wrong  with that? It seems legit to me. I mean assignments and IEE's are 
done all  the time in my area. Cant this just be another method of finding 
a buyer  for me to sell the home to? 

I would hate to use this  5 day-method as an investor in the hopes of 
trying to find the highest  price and then get in legal trouble for it. Because 
right now that is the  way I understand it. That I can not use this method if 
I only have the  house on contract. Is this true?





On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM, <_lbicon at aol.com_ (mailto:lbicon at aol.com) 
> wrote:



Shane, 
You are hillarious. Guess who my business partner was for  the last 5 
years? I'll give you a hint his ititials are G.C. My emaill  address is one from 
a long time ago and there is no hidden message. I  grew up on Long Beach 
Island hence LBI and the first 3 letter of my name  and my nickname is CON.
 
BTW I never told anyone that they couldn't do it. I told Jeff that  he was 
better off being licensed. Don't you think that hundreds of  people have 
already approched Bill about starting a consulting business.  Guess why it 
hasn't happened.
 
CK

 

 








-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Weller <_shane.myko at gmail.com_ (mailto:shane.myko at gmail.com) >
To: How To Sell Your Home  in 5-Days 
<_5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com_ (mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com) >
Sent:  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:20 am



Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing  consultant"

Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or  that it is illegal. 
That does not make any sense. Most importantly do  not take advice from 
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone  does not pass my own personal 
"smell test".  And I wouldnt take  advice from a Realtor either. No offense 
to any realtors out there, but  they are all told what you CANT DO!! Not 
what you can do.

First  of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing 
it. He  is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major 
networks  including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day  
sales in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state?  See 
what I mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA  license, 
and they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town  there are "investors" who are trying a similar method 
of selling homes  in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But 
they are and  if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am 
sure they  would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not  
REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new  one. Maybe you can 
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for  your home" or "Fair 
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or  she wants to sell the 
home at the price that was determined. If they do,  then they have a list of 
people who are willing to pay that. 

I  dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the  
public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies.  Just 
the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They  miss facts 
or values that others may possibly see in a home, like  distance to work and 
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it  doesnt have a box that can 
be checked on their form it doesnt have a  "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that  appraisers can not put 
in their little appraisal forms. These are the  values that real people see 
and are willing to pay for. 

Dont  listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate  
brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as  Real 
Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what  is not possible that they have 
forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look  into Assignments. Someone is doing 
this and so can you.  

Best,
Shane

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming  
<_jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com_ (mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com) >  wrote:


 
Jeff,
 
I will respond to your  question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but 
based upon my own  understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and 
based upon  checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee. 
 

As a former Texas Broker  you know that in Texas, according to the Real 
Estate License Act,  practicing real estate without an active license is a 
criminal  offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by confinement 
 of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to  $4,000.00.  
Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first  degree misdemeanor criminal 
charge and a fine up to  $5,000. Similar consequences hold in Tennessee.  On 
a  related note, I was told that Florida in particular is cracking down  on 
people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties  constitutes 
taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes them  from needing to be 
licensed.
 
What constitutes  practicing real estate?  Each state has its own 
definition, but  in general almost every activity connected with a real estate  
transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting  buyers and 
sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or  a fee, or in the 
expectation of same, constitutes practicing real  estate.  
 
Your contention that you  can?t find any information anywhere that states 
that ?strictly  pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for 
brokers  does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved  
primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you  want to do ?
strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are  finding the FMV by 
conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a  5-day sale for a fee, while it may result 
in finding the FMV, is not  the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the home. 
 It IS the  equivalent to practicing real estate.
 
All of this is solely my  take on the issues.  A forum such as this is 
great for sharing  perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you 
 want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states  
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your  
association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed,  the other free 
alternative is to contact the respective departments of  licensing in the states 
where you intend to conduct your 5 Day  Pricings.  The only place to get 
actual and actionable legal  advice, covered by malpractice insurance, is from 
a lawyer who  provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
 
Good luck in your quest  for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve 
spent some time  and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day  
Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not  required, there 
are loads of people around the country who would be  interested in 
conducting them commercially in their areas and in  hearing how to structure them to 
avoid prosecution.  This could  lead to a book for you, or even a franchise, 
if you come up with the  right approach.
 
Keep us  posted.
 
Jim F ?  Realtor
Vancouver WA
 
 
  
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Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a  "pricing consultant"


 
 
 
Thanks to  all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas 
and  Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are  
we really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the  FMV of 
their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states  that 
"strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only  for us lofty 
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is  reached at the end of the 
5 days...The seller and possible buyer  consummate their own deal! The 
highest bidder is not necessarily the  Buyer in this case...its up to the seller 
to find his buyer and close  the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill 
O'Reilly says: Am I  wrong? Thanks to you all again! 


 



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From janetislight at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 10:51:20 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:51:20 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
Message-ID: <5f7a.584fe29a.38872ef8@aol.com>

I think before Bill "weighs in" on George Cappony, a conversation with his  
lawyer would need to happen.  Just saying others are out doing similar  
things, but to name a name?  Not smart.
 
Janet
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:03:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com writes:

I hope Bill will weigh in on this one, but  my understanding is that he 
does NOT endorse George Cappony.
Rosemarie

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _James Fleming_ (mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com)  
To: _'How To Sell  Your Home in 5-Days'_ 
(mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com)  
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:51  AM
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a  "pricing consultant"



 
Shane, 
Thanks for the  heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros 
endorsed/endorses George  Cappony.  George?s site looks very interesting; I encourage 
anyone who  hasn?t visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken Bill?s system to 
a  new level. 
Jim F ? Realtor   
Vancouver  WA
 
  
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(mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com)   
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Behalf Of Shane  Weller
Sent: Monday,  January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in  5-Days
Subject: Re:  [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing  consultant"
Jim.
I apologize  "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the 
phrase:  

"Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11  years 
ago."

This is according to Cappony's website: 
_http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm_ (http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm) 

Best,
Shane




On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming  
<_jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com_ (mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com) >  wrote: 
 
 
 
Shane, 
George Cappony  is backed by Bill Effros?  I don?t mean to sound critical, 
but I find  that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear  that? 
Jim  F
 
  
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Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21  AM 
 

To: How To Sell Your Home in  5-Days
Subject: Re:  [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing  consultant"
 
 
Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not  possible or that it is illegal. 
That does not make any sense. Most  importantly do not take advice from 
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The  name alone does not pass my own personal 
"smell test".  And I wouldnt  take advice from a Realtor either. No offense 
to any realtors out there, but  they are all told what you CANT DO!! Not 
what you can do.

First of  all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing 
it. He is  backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major 
networks  including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day 
sales  in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See 
what I  mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, 
and  they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town there are  "investors" who are trying a similar method 
of selling homes in 5-days. How  they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But 
they are and if there was  something wrong with what they were doing I am 
sure they would have been  fined or punished eons ago. And they are not REA's!

Now as for your  idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can 
run it under  "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair 
Market Analysis"  and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the 
home at the price  that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of 
people who are  willing to pay that. 

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller  determine the price the 
public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers  are fact junkies. Just 
the facts. What is wrong with your home, what  defects, etc. They miss facts 
or values that others may possibly see in a  home, like distance to work and 
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If  it doesnt have a box that can 
be checked on their form it doesnt have a  "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers  can not put 
in their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real  people see 
and are willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If  it was not possible to conduct real estate 
brokering without an REA license.  Then there would be no such thing as Real 
Estate Investors. 

I think  REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have 
forgotten  what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing 
this and so  can you. 

Best,
Shane 
 
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming  
<_jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com_ (mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com) >  wrote: 
 
 
Jeff, 
I will respond to your  question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but 
based upon my own  understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and 
based upon  checking with fellow Realtors in Texas,  Florida, and 
Tennessee.   
As a former Texas Broker you  know that in Texas, according to the Real 
Estate License Act, practicing  real estate without an active license is a 
criminal offense; specifically, a  Class A misdemeanor punishable by confinement 
of up to one year in a county  jail and a fine of up to $4,000.00.  
Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in  a first degree misdemeanor criminal 
charge and a fine up to  $5,000. Similar consequences hold in Tennessee.  On 
a related note, I was  told that Florida in particular is cracking down on  
people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties constitutes  
taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes them from needing to be  
licensed. 
What constitutes practicing  real estate?  Each state has its own 
definition, but in general almost  every activity connected with a real estate 
transaction, including  negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers and 
sellers, when  performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in the 
expectation of  same, constitutes practicing real estate.   
Your contention that you can?t  find any information anywhere that states 
that ?strictly pricing? a home is  an act of real estate reserved only for 
brokers does have merit,  however.  In fact, that practice is reserved 
primarily for licensed  appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do ?
strictly pricing?  the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by 
conducting a 5-day  sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may result 
in  finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the home.  
 It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate. 
All of this is solely my take  on the issues.  A forum such as this is 
great for sharing perspectives,  tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you 
want more, and if you  are still actively licensed in one of the states 
mentioned, the best place  to get free legal analysis is through your 
association?s legal  hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other free 
alternative  is to contact the respective departments of licensing in the states 
where  you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place to get  
actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance, is  from 
a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a  fee. 
Good luck in your quest for  clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve 
spent some time and effort  looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day 
Pricings can be  conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there 
are loads of  people around the country who would be interested in conducting 
them  commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to 
avoid  prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise,  
if you come up with the right approach. 
Keep us  posted. 
Jim F ?  Realtor 
Vancouver WA 
 
  
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Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a  "pricing consultant"

 
 
Thanks to all for  the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas 
and  Florida.  So i understand license law...my only question here was: are 
we really  "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of 
their  home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that 
"strictly  pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty  
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of  the 
5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The  
highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the  seller 
to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As  Mr. 
Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 




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From bill at effros.com  Tue Jan 19 13:28:14 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:28:14 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Thanks, Janet and Rosemarie,

I have not been following this thread.

George called me several years ago to tell me he had taken down this 
site, and had stopped making these claims.  He also said he was out of 
the 5-Day consulting business.  I have neither the time nor the 
inclination to chase him down.

Anyone who wants to know what I think about George Cappony and his 
methods should go to the early months of the archives and read our 
exchanges.

Following is a sample:  (George used a lot of proxies and fake email 
addresses--I can't tell you the speaker is George, and I can't tell you 
he put this writer up to joining this Forum, but I can tell you that 
unlike Janet, I DID throw him off this Forum, and I DID tell him not to 
return.)

This is taken directly from the archive, May 19, 2007:

Jamie,

I'm glad you had a successful experience with George, and glad you have 
posted it to this Forum.  That is what this Forum is for.

George's sales frequently suffer from Buyer's remorse--as you have 
stated "the highest bidder dropped out, and the backups did not come 
through initially".  This sometimes happens in 5-Day Sales run according 
to the book, but extremely rarely. 

In my opinion, George's method fails to locate the best buyer at the 
best price, and then tries to hammer both the buyers obtained and the 
seller into settling on a lower price than would have been obtained by 
using the 5-Day Method as presented in the book.

This may result in a sale, but, in my opinion, and how can I prove it, 
... let me say "based on my experience" ... the seller could have sold 
the home at a higher price if the 5-Day Method were exactly followed.

Properly run 5-Day Sales don't need consultants. 

Reserves are not legal in many places when used the way you imply you 
used yours.  You do not have to take any price you don't want.  When I 
found out what people meant by the phrase "He guided us to through 
negotiations and got us to our reserve" I was, quite frankly, appalled.  
You may not mean it in the same way it has been explained to me by others.

What do you mean by that phrase?

Is it something you are prepared to specify in an open Forum?  Or is it 
something you suspect may be illegal or immoral?

This is my problem with George's modifications, and this is my 
publisher's problem with George's modifications.  We both want to make 
sure it is completely understood that these are George's methods, 
neither advocated nor endorsed by us.

Bill Effros




janetislight at aol.com wrote:
> I think before Bill "weighs in" on George Cappony, a conversation with 
> his lawyer would need to happen.  Just saying others are out doing 
> similar things, but to name a name?  Not smart.
>  
> Janet
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:03:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
> rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com writes:
>
>     I hope Bill will weigh in on this one, but my understanding is
>     that he does NOT endorse George Cappony.
>     Rosemarie
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* James Fleming <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>
>         *To:* 'How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days'
>         <mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:51 AM
>         *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>         Shane,
>
>          
>
>         Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros
>         endorsed/endorses George Cappony.  George?s site looks very
>         interesting; I encourage anyone who hasn?t visited it to do
>         so.  He seems to have taken Bill?s system to a new level.
>
>          
>
>         Jim F ? Realtor
>
>         Vancouver WA
>
>          
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:*
>         5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>         [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com]
>         *On Behalf Of *Shane Weller
>         *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
>         *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
>         *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>          
>
>         Jim.
>         I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have
>         used the phrase:
>
>         "Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this
>         method 11 years ago."
>
>         This is according to Cappony's website:
>         http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm
>
>         Best,
>         Shane
>
>
>
>         On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming
>         <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com
>         <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Shane,
>
>          
>
>         George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don?t mean to
>         sound critical, but I find that extremely difficult to
>         believe.  Where did you hear that?
>
>          
>
>         Jim F
>
>          
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com
>         <http://gmail.com/>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/>
>         [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
>         <mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>=gmail.com
>         <http://gmail.com/>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/>] *On Behalf Of
>         *Shane Weller
>         *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM
>
>
>         *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
>
>         *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>          
>
>         Jeff,
>         Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it
>         is illegal. That does not make any sense. Most importantly do
>         not take advice from anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name
>         alone does not pass my own personal "smell test".  And I
>         wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No offense to any
>         realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
>         Not what you can do.
>
>         First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that
>         is doing it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured
>         on several major networks including 20/20, Fox News, and
>         others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales in every state
>         legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
>         mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA
>         license, and they are doing it legally.
>
>         Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a
>         similar method of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing
>         it? I am not 100% sure. But they are and if there was
>         something wrong with what they were doing I am sure they would
>         have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not REA's!
>
>         Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one.
>         Maybe you can run it under "Find out what the public would pay
>         for your home" or "Fair Market Analysis" and let the seller
>         decide if he or she wants to sell the home at the price that
>         was determined. If they do, then they have a list of people
>         who are willing to pay that.
>
>         I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the
>         price the public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers
>         are fact junkies. Just the facts. What is wrong with your
>         home, what defects, etc. They miss facts or values that others
>         may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and school,
>         kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that
>         can be checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".
>
>         My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers
>         can not put in their little appraisal forms. These are the
>         values that real people see and are willing to pay for.
>
>         Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct
>         real estate brokering without an REA license. Then there would
>         be no such thing as Real Estate Investors.
>
>         I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that
>         they have forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into
>         Assignments. Someone is doing this and so can you.
>
>         Best,
>         Shane
>
>         On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming
>         <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com
>         <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Jeff,
>
>          
>
>         I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a
>         scholar, but based upon my own understanding of this subject
>         after years as a Realtor and based upon checking with fellow
>         Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  
>
>          
>
>         As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to
>         the Real Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an
>         active license is a criminal offense; specifically, a Class A
>         misdemeanor punishable by confinement of up to one year in a
>         county jail and a fine of up to $4,000.00.  Unlicensed
>         activity in Florida can result in a first degree misdemeanor
>         criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
>         hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida
>         in particular is cracking down on people who mistakenly think
>         that taking options on properties constitutes taking an
>         ownership interest and therefore excludes them from needing to
>         be licensed.
>
>          
>
>         What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its
>         own definition, but in general almost every activity connected
>         with a real estate transaction, including negotiating a
>         purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers and sellers, when
>         performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in the
>         expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  
>
>          
>
>         Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere
>         that states that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real
>         estate reserved only for brokers does have merit, however.  In
>         fact, that practice is reserved primarily for licensed
>         appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do ?strictly
>         pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV
>         by conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a
>         fee, while it may result in finding the FMV, is not the
>         equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the home.  It IS the
>         equivalent to practicing real estate.
>
>          
>
>         All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as
>         this is great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions,
>         experiences, and so on.  If you want more, and if you are
>         still actively licensed in one of the states mentioned, the
>         best place to get free legal analysis is through your
>         association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively
>         licensed, the other free alternative is to contact the
>         respective departments of licensing in the states where you
>         intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place to get
>         actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice
>         insurance, is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a
>         client, for a fee.
>
>          
>
>         Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as
>         though you?ve spent some time and effort looking into this. 
>         If it turns out that 5-day Pricings can be conducted in such a
>         way that licensing is not required, there are loads of people
>         around the country who would be interested in conducting them
>         commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure
>         them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you,
>         or even a franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>
>          
>
>         Keep us posted.
>
>          
>
>         Jim F ? Realtor
>
>         Vancouver WA
>
>          
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com
>         <http://gmail.com/>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/>
>         [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
>         <mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>=gmail.com
>         <http://gmail.com/>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/>] *On Behalf Of
>         *Jeff Brown
>         *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>
>
>         *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <mailto:5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>         *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>          
>
>         Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in
>         Tennessee, Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my
>         only question here was: are we really "negotiating the sales
>         price" for the seller by finding the FMV of their home?? I
>         cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
>         pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us
>         lofty brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is
>         reached at the end of the 5 days...The seller and possible
>         buyer consummate their own deal! The highest bidder is not
>         necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the seller to
>         find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is
>         reached...As Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you
>         all again! 
>
>          
>
>
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From jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 13:26:04 2010
From: jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com (James Fleming)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:26:04 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
In-Reply-To: <5f7a.584fe29a.38872ef8@aol.com>
References: <5f7a.584fe29a.38872ef8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FAFF379F69844E018F4FB8F548A9D9F5@JIMBIZ>

Janet, can you please clarify for me what you meant in your second sentence
regarding saying others are out doing similar things.  I think I understand,
but I want to be sure.

 

Thanks.

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA   

 

 

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From:
5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourho
mein5days.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtose
llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of janetislight at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:51 AM
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

I think before Bill "weighs in" on George Cappony, a conversation with his
lawyer would need to happen.  Just saying others are out doing similar
things, but to name a name?  Not smart.

 

Janet

 

 

In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:03:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,
rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com writes:

I hope Bill will weigh in on this one, but my understanding is that he does
NOT endorse George Cappony.

Rosemarie

----- Original Message ----- 

From: James Fleming <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>  

To: 'How To Sell <mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
Your Home in 5-Days' 

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:51 AM

Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Shane,

 

Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros endorsed/endorses
George Cappony.  George's site looks very interesting; I encourage anyone
who hasn't visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken Bill's system to a
new level.

 

Jim F - Realtor 

Vancouver WA

 


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From:
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mein5days.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtose
llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jim.
I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the
phrase: 

"Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years
ago."

This is according to Cappony's website:
http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm

Best,
Shane




On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Shane,

 

George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don't mean to sound critical,
but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?

 

Jim F

 


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From: 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com
<http://gmail.com/> @mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
<http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/>
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
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<http://gmail.com/> @mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
<http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/> ] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM


To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days

Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
Not what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
are willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
this and so can you. 

Best,
Shane

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Jeff,

 

I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  

 

As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
$4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
them from needing to be licensed.

 

What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition,
but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate
transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers
and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in
the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  

 

Your contention that you can't find any information anywhere that states
that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
"strictly pricing" the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to "strictly pricing" the
home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.

 

All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
association's legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.

 

Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you've spent
some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings
can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are
loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting
them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to
avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise,
if you come up with the right approach.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 


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<http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/> ] On Behalf Of Jeff Brown
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM


To: 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and
Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again!
<mip://0675e4e8/%20> 

 


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From bill at effros.com  Tue Jan 19 13:51:04 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:51:04 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Rural 5-Day Sales
Message-ID: <4B55FF18.1000209@effros.com>

While I was rooting around in the archives I stumbled across Mark 
Conway's sale in rural Michigan.

It was in July 2007,  Sort by Subject,

Or, try putting this into a search engine:


  [5-DayForum] Sanford, MI 5-Day Sale -- Day 1

Here is the first response I got to the above search (your results may 
vary):

Adrian,

Go to the archives in July 2007 and follow the postings by Mark Conway.

Here is one of them:

[5-DayForum] Sanford, MI 5-Day Sale -- Day 1
Mark Conway sanford5daysale at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 26 01:22:30 EDT 2007

    * Previous message: [5-DayForum] Getting the Bank to take less
    * Next message: [5-DayForum] Sanford, MI 5-Day Sale -- Day 1
    * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]

Dear 5-Day Sale Troopers,

Day 1 Result
We're blown away. In this infamously slow market, in a fairly rural area 
where our home's assessed value still hasn't quite doubled in 25 years, 
we got 37 contacts today. We had our 25 phone calls by 7 PM. The first 
two contacts were from ForSaleByOwner.com -- one an e-mail and one a 
voicemail through the free 800 number. Both of those seemed like high 
quality contacts. Every one of the next 35 phone calls over the course 
of the day were prompted by the newspaper insert we had done today. As 
it turns out, there were no other inserts competing with ours today. And 
no one at our newspaper has ever used the single page insert for an open 
house, especially "this kind" of a home sale. We feel this result is 
nothing less than phenomenal -- far beyond what we expected.

We fully expect the call volume will die off considerably tomorrow since 
the newspaper insert was a one-shot deal. But it was worth every dollar. 
It feels as if we trumped every other home sale ad in the paper today.

We haven't put up any of the signs yet. We plan to put them up on Friday 
evening, mostly for directional purposes.

Overview of the phone calls
(1) There was one confirmed real estate agent who didn't reveal herself 
unitl near the end of our conversation. She was polite and very 
intrigued by what we were doing and asked many questions.
(2) We were surprised at how supportive callers were about our approach 
to this home sale. Many wished us good luck.
(3) Many callers just wanted directions so they could do a drive-by 
sometime today to check out the house and the neighborhood. A builder 
even asked our permission to come up our driveway for a look. We were 
glad to oblige.
(4) Several people told us how fair they thought our process was and 
were eager to participate.
(5) We didn't encounter a single negative response yet.
(6) We got calls from a bunch of folks who were calling on behalf of 
friends or relatives because they were more familiar with the area.
(7) We estimate that about 10 of our contacts seemed to be very serious 
prospective buyers.
(8) It was fun to explaining the 5-Day Sale process to many of our 
callers. Their reactions ranged from surprise to amazement that we would 
take such a bold approach.
(9) We turned down one request for an early look-see.
(10) We passed on one caller's offer to make us an offer on the house 
right now.

It's been quite an exhilarating day for us. Once we'd received 7 calls 
by 2:30 PM this afternoon, we felt we were on pace for a successful 
three days. Our excitement built and we were both quite wired through 
the afternoon and evening as the calls just kept rolling in. What a fun day!

We'll see what tomorrow brings.

Below I've summarized our advertising for those of you who want to know 
the specifics of what we're doing. I won't repeat all of that in future 
posts.

I'm finally winding down. My mind isn't whirring quite so much now so 
I'll sign off now and try to get some sleep.

Regards,

Mark Conway



Advertising:
(a) Classified ad in 3 local newspapers -- about $400 total cost for the 
5 days. Here's the line-by-line classified ad (without all the formatting):
     SANFORD                   BY OWNER
     1512 sq ft Ranch
     3+ Wooded Acres
     Full Basement   Lake Access
     3 Bedroom/2 Bath   C/A
     $74,500 or Best Offer
     Inspection Sat-Sun 10-5
     Home will be Sold
                         Sunday Night to
     HIGHEST BIDDER         687-2556
As it turns out, it was very important that I actually went to the 
classified ad offices to place the ad. Even in person, it was a bit 
challenging to have them get the ad close to the way I wanted it.
(b) A one-day one-time single sheet (8-1/2 x 11) blue-on-white insert 
into the one newspaper that directly serves our area -- about $800 total 
cost. The ad was nicely done up by the advertising design staff. It 
contained only the standard ad text , but slickly formatted with two 
pictures of our home.
(c) An ad on ForSaleByOwner.com which includes a toll-free number to 
take messages -- $89 total cost. Check it out if you like. The Listing  
ID is 21041932.
(d) We ordered 24 18"x24" signs over the Internet at a cost of $14 per 
sign. Here's the text of the signs:
     Selling Our Home
     Sunday Night
     Highest Bidder
     Inspection: Sat & Sun 10-5
     www.ForSaleByOwner.com Listing ID 21041932
     e-mail: Sanford5DaySale at yahoo.com
We also bought large direction arrows to stick onto each sign to guide 
folks to our house from as far away as about 8 miles.







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From jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 14:21:49 2010
From: jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com (James Fleming)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:21:49 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
In-Reply-To: <4B55F9BE.4090006@effros.com>
References: <5f7a.584fe29a.38872ef8@aol.com> <4B55F9BE.4090006@effros.com>
Message-ID: <FD32E853C37B4E26A4411756240FF9A5@JIMBIZ>

 

Bill,

 

Thank you for weighing in.  GC's site leads visitors like me and Shane to
the conclusion that you and GC have a business relationship.  Your response
in this thread leaves no doubt that this is NOT the case.  And, as you
mentioned, this is not the first time you have addressed this issue on the
forum.  But yesterday, when Shane pointed us to GC's website, I visited it
to see what he was talking about.  I got the impression that you and George
had come to terms.  Were you ever affiliated, or is this all fabrication on
George's part?

 

Best,

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 

 

 

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From:
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mein5days.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtose
llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:28 AM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Thanks, Janet and Rosemarie,

I have not been following this thread.

George called me several years ago to tell me he had taken down this site,
and had stopped making these claims.  He also said he was out of the 5-Day
consulting business.  I have neither the time nor the inclination to chase
him down.

Anyone who wants to know what I think about George Cappony and his methods
should go to the early months of the archives and read our exchanges.

Following is a sample:  (George used a lot of proxies and fake email
addresses--I can't tell you the speaker is George, and I can't tell you he
put this writer up to joining this Forum, but I can tell you that unlike
Janet, I DID throw him off this Forum, and I DID tell him not to return.)

This is taken directly from the archive, May 19, 2007:




Jamie,
 
I'm glad you had a successful experience with George, and glad you have 
posted it to this Forum.  That is what this Forum is for.
 
George's sales frequently suffer from Buyer's remorse--as you have 
stated "the highest bidder dropped out, and the backups did not come 
through initially".  This sometimes happens in 5-Day Sales run according 
to the book, but extremely rarely. 
 
In my opinion, George's method fails to locate the best buyer at the 
best price, and then tries to hammer both the buyers obtained and the 
seller into settling on a lower price than would have been obtained by 
using the 5-Day Method as presented in the book.
 
This may result in a sale, but, in my opinion, and how can I prove it, 
... let me say "based on my experience" ... the seller could have sold 
the home at a higher price if the 5-Day Method were exactly followed.
 
Properly run 5-Day Sales don't need consultants. 
 
Reserves are not legal in many places when used the way you imply you 
used yours.  You do not have to take any price you don't want.  When I 
found out what people meant by the phrase "He guided us to through 
negotiations and got us to our reserve" I was, quite frankly, appalled.  
You may not mean it in the same way it has been explained to me by others.
 
What do you mean by that phrase?
 
Is it something you are prepared to specify in an open Forum?  Or is it 
something you suspect may be illegal or immoral?
 
This is my problem with George's modifications, and this is my 
publisher's problem with George's modifications.  We both want to make 
sure it is completely understood that these are George's methods, 
neither advocated nor endorsed by us.
 
Bill Effros




janetislight at aol.com wrote: 

I think before Bill "weighs in" on George Cappony, a conversation with his
lawyer would need to happen.  Just saying others are out doing similar
things, but to name a name?  Not smart.

 

Janet

 

 

In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:03:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,
rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com writes:

I hope Bill will weigh in on this one, but my understanding is that he does
NOT endorse George Cappony.

Rosemarie

----- Original Message ----- 

From: James <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>  Fleming 

To: 'How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days'
<mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:51 AM

Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Shane,

 

Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros endorsed/endorses
George Cappony.  George's site looks very interesting; I encourage anyone
who hasn't visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken Bill's system to a
new level.

 

Jim F - Realtor 

Vancouver WA

 



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llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jim.
I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the
phrase: 

"Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years
ago."

This is according to Cappony's website:
http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm

Best,
Shane






On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Shane,

 

George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don't mean to sound critical,
but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?

 

Jim F

 



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To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days

Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
Not what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
are willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
this and so can you. 

Best,
Shane

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Jeff,

 

I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  

 

As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
$4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
them from needing to be licensed.

 

What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition,
but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate
transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers
and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in
the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  

 

Your contention that you can't find any information anywhere that states
that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
"strictly pricing" the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to "strictly pricing" the
home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.

 

All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
association's legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.

 

Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you've spent
some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings
can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are
loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting
them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to
avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise,
if you come up with the right approach.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 



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Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM


To: 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and
Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again!
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From janetislight at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 14:56:23 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:56:23 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Jim,
 
Just that there are many variations on the 5-day method out there.
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 12:30:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com writes:

 
Janet, can you please  clarify for me what you meant in your second 
sentence regarding saying others  are out doing similar things.  I think I 
understand, but I want to be  sure. 
Thanks. 
Jim F ?  Realtor 
Vancouver WA    
 

 
  
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From:  
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[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com]  On Behalf Of  
janetislight at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:51  AM
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a  "pricing consultant"
 
I think before Bill  "weighs in" on George Cappony, a conversation with his 
lawyer would need to  happen.  Just saying others are out doing similar 
things, but to name a  name?  Not smart.
 

 
Janet
 

 

 
 
In a message dated  1/19/2010 6:03:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  writes:

 
I hope Bill  will weigh in on this one, but my understanding is that he 
does NOT endorse  George Cappony.
 
Rosemarie

 
----- Original  Message ----- 
 
From: _James Fleming_ (mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com)   
 
To: _'How To Sell  Your Home in 5-Days'_ 
(mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com)  
 
Sent: Tuesday,  January 19, 2010 12:51 AM
 
Subject: Re:  [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing  consultant"
 

 
 
Shane, 
Thanks for the  heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros 
endorsed/endorses George  Cappony.  George?s site looks very interesting; I encourage 
anyone  who hasn?t visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken Bill?s system  
to a new level. 
Jim F ?  Realtor  
Vancouver  WA
 
  
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From: 
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(mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com)   
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com]  On 
Behalf Of Shane  Weller
Sent: Monday,  January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in  5-Days
Subject: Re:  [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
Jim.
I apologize "backed" was not  the correct word. I should have used the 
phrase: 

"Effros  hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years 
 ago."

This is according to Cappony's website: 
_http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm_ (http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm) 

Best,
Shane



On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM,  James Fleming 
<_jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com_ (mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com) >  wrote: 
 
 
 
Shane, 
George Cappony  is backed by Bill Effros?  I don?t mean to sound critical, 
but I find  that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear  that? 
Jim  F
 
  
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(http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/) ] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21  AM 
 

To: How To Sell Your Home in  5-Days
Subject: Re:  [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
 
 
Jeff,
Do not let these people  tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal. 
That does not make any  sense. Most importantly do not take advice from 
anyone that has the name  Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own personal 
"smell test".   And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No offense 
to any  realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!! Not 
what you  can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony  that is doing 
it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on  several major 
networks including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can  that guy run 5-day 
sales in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA  in every state? See 
what I mean? People are doing this, they are doing it  without an REA license, 
and they are doing it legally. 

Heck even  in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method 
of  selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But 
 they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am  
sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not  
REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one.  Maybe you can 
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your  home" or "Fair 
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she  wants to sell the 
home at the price that was determined. If they do, then  they have a list of 
people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see  anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the 
public is  willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just 
the  facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts 
or  values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and  
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can  
be checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is  this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put 
in their  little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see 
and are  willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not  possible to conduct real estate 
brokering without an REA license. Then  there would be no such thing as Real 
Estate Investors. 

I think  REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have 
forgotten  what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing 
this and  so can you. 

Best,
Shane 
 
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM,  James Fleming 
<_jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com_ (mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com) >  wrote: 
 
 
Jeff, 
I will respond  to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but 
based upon my  own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and 
based upon  checking with fellow Realtors in Texas,  Florida, and 
Tennessee.   
As a former  Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real 
Estate License  Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a 
criminal  offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by confinement 
of  up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to $4,000.00.   
Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree  misdemeanor criminal 
charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar  consequences hold in Tennessee.  On 
a related note, I  was told that Florida in particular is cracking down  on 
people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties  constitutes 
taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes them from  needing to be 
licensed. 
What  constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own  
definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real  estate 
transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or  soliciting buyers and 
sellers, when performed for compensation, a  commission, or a fee, or in the 
expectation of same, constitutes  practicing real estate.   
Your  contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states 
that  ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for  
brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved  
primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want  to do ?
strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the  FMV by 
conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a  fee, while it may result 
in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to  ?strictly pricing? the home. 
 It IS the equivalent to practicing real  estate. 
All of this is  solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is 
great for  sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you 
 want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states  
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your  
association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the  other free 
alternative is to contact the respective departments of  licensing in the states 
where you intend to conduct your 5 Day  Pricings.  The only place to get 
actual and actionable legal advice,  covered by malpractice insurance, is from 
a lawyer who provides it to you,  as a client, for a fee. 
Good luck in  your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve 
spent some  time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day  
Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required,  there 
are loads of people around the country who would be interested in  
conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to  structure them to 
avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for  you, or even a franchise, 
if you come up with the right  approach. 
Keep us  posted. 
Jim F ?  Realtor 
Vancouver  WA 
 
  
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(http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/) ] On Behalf Of Jeff Brown
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42  PM 
 

To: _5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com_ 
(mailto:5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com) 
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a  "pricing consultant"

 
 
Thanks to all  for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas  
and Florida. So i understand license  law...my only question here was: are 
we really "negotiating the sales  price" for the seller by finding the FMV of 
their home?? I cant find any  information anywhere that states that 
"strictly pricing" a home is an act  of real estate reserved only for us lofty 
brokers?? We don't assist  anymore after the price is reached at the end of the 
5 days...The seller  and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The 
highest bidder is not  necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the seller 
to find his  buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill 
O'Reilly  says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 




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From bill at effros.com  Tue Jan 19 16:23:38 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:23:38 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Jim,

It's complicated.

I first tried the 5-Day Method when Windows 1 was Microsoft's new 
operating system; Apple had a computer named after Steve Jobs' 
girlfriend; and nobody had even dreamed of Google.

I wrote a book about the 5-Day Method following a chance encounter with 
the shortstop on my college intramural baseball team who I hadn't seen 
in 25 years.

While doing publicity for the first edition of the book, I was 
approached by George Cappony who told me he liked the idea.

When the Internet started to develop, I got a Web Address, however I had 
no time to develop the web site. At some point George said he would 
develop my site for me, at no cost, and the web site would display only 
information approved by me.

I gave him permission, with the explicit understanding that he could 
never speak for me, and that I would sever all ties with him if he ever 
embarrassed me.

My entire relationship with George is described on pages 63 and 64 of 
the Third Edition of my book.

I completely severed all ties with George shortly after the Third 
Edition of the book was published. George told me the individual who 
hosted the web site and did much of the work on it had refused to return 
my Internet Address until George paid him money he said he was due. 
George also told me that the web site host planned to continue running 
George's business from that web site, with or without George.

The web site posted to this Forum is a different web site address.  My 
web site was eventually returned to me, although I still don't have the 
time to develop it.  The last time I spoke to George, a couple of years 
ago, I told him I didn't ever want him to say he currently worked with 
me, or with my approval, and that I never wanted to speak with him 
again.  He said he understood, and that he had completely left the 
"5-Day Method Consulting Business" to pursue more profitable ventures.

I have never accepted money from George or anyone else, except my 
publisher, in connection with the 5-Day Method or 5-Day sales.

Bill Effros
Author













James Fleming wrote:
>
>  
>
> Bill,
>
>  
>
> Thank you for weighing in.  GC's site leads visitors like me and Shane 
> to the conclusion that you and GC have a business relationship.  Your 
> response in this thread leaves no doubt that this is NOT the case.  
> And, as you mentioned, this is not the first time you have addressed 
> this issue on the forum.  But yesterday, when Shane pointed us to GC's 
> website, I visited it to see what he was talking about.  I got the 
> impression that you and George had come to terms.  Were you ever 
> affiliated, or is this all fabrication on George's part?
>
>  
>
> Best,
>
>  
>
> Jim F -- Realtor
>
> Vancouver WA
>
>  
>
> * *
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* 
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 
> [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *Bill Effros
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:28 AM
> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>  
>
> Thanks, Janet and Rosemarie,
>
> I have not been following this thread.
>
> George called me several years ago to tell me he had taken down this 
> site, and had stopped making these claims.  He also said he was out of 
> the 5-Day consulting business.  I have neither the time nor the 
> inclination to chase him down.
>
> Anyone who wants to know what I think about George Cappony and his 
> methods should go to the early months of the archives and read our 
> exchanges.
>
> Following is a sample:  (George used a lot of proxies and fake email 
> addresses--I can't tell you the speaker is George, and I can't tell 
> you he put this writer up to joining this Forum, but I can tell you 
> that unlike Janet, I DID throw him off this Forum, and I DID tell him 
> not to return.)
>
> This is taken directly from the archive, May 19, 2007:
>
>
> Jamie,
>  
> I'm glad you had a successful experience with George, and glad you have 
> posted it to this Forum.  That is what this Forum is for.
>  
> George's sales frequently suffer from Buyer's remorse--as you have 
> stated "the highest bidder dropped out, and the backups did not come 
> through initially".  This sometimes happens in 5-Day Sales run according 
> to the book, but extremely rarely. 
>  
> In my opinion, George's method fails to locate the best buyer at the 
> best price, and then tries to hammer both the buyers obtained and the 
> seller into settling on a lower price than would have been obtained by 
> using the 5-Day Method as presented in the book.
>  
> This may result in a sale, but, in my opinion, and how can I prove it, 
> ... let me say "based on my experience" ... the seller could have sold 
> the home at a higher price if the 5-Day Method were exactly followed.
>  
> Properly run 5-Day Sales don't need consultants. 
>  
> Reserves are not legal in many places when used the way you imply you 
> used yours.  You do not have to take any price you don't want.  When I 
> found out what people meant by the phrase "He guided us to through 
> negotiations and got us to our reserve" I was, quite frankly, appalled.  
> You may not mean it in the same way it has been explained to me by others.
>  
> What do you mean by that phrase?
>  
> Is it something you are prepared to specify in an open Forum?  Or is it 
> something you suspect may be illegal or immoral?
>  
> This is my problem with George's modifications, and this is my 
> publisher's problem with George's modifications.  We both want to make 
> sure it is completely understood that these are George's methods, 
> neither advocated nor endorsed by us.
>  
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
>
> janetislight at aol.com <mailto:janetislight at aol.com> wrote:
>
> I think before Bill "weighs in" on George Cappony, a conversation with 
> his lawyer would need to happen.  Just saying others are out doing 
> similar things, but to name a name?  Not smart.
>
>  
>
> Janet
>
>  
>
>  
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:03:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
> rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com <mailto:rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com> 
> writes:
>
>     I hope Bill will weigh in on this one, but my understanding is
>     that he does NOT endorse George Cappony.
>
>     Rosemarie
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>
>         *From:* James Fleming <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>
>
>         *To:* 'How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days'
>         <mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:51 AM
>
>         *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>          
>
>         Shane,
>
>          
>
>         Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros
>         endorsed/endorses George Cappony.  George's site looks very
>         interesting; I encourage anyone who hasn't visited it to do
>         so.  He seems to have taken Bill's system to a new level.
>
>          
>
>         Jim F -- Realtor
>
>         Vancouver WA
>
>          
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:*
>         5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>         [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com]
>         *On Behalf Of *Shane Weller
>         *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
>         *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
>         *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>          
>
>         Jim.
>         I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have
>         used the phrase:
>
>         "Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this
>         method 11 years ago."
>
>         This is according to Cappony's website:
>         http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm
>
>         Best,
>         Shane
>
>
>
>
>         On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming
>         <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com
>         <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Shane,
>
>          
>
>         George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don't mean to
>         sound critical, but I find that extremely difficult to
>         believe.  Where did you hear that?
>
>          
>
>         Jim F
>
>          
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com
>         <http://gmail.com/>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/>
>         [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
>         <mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>=gmail.com
>         <http://gmail.com/>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/>] *On Behalf Of
>         *Shane Weller
>         *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM
>
>
>         *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
>
>         *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>          
>
>         Jeff,
>         Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it
>         is illegal. That does not make any sense. Most importantly do
>         not take advice from anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name
>         alone does not pass my own personal "smell test".  And I
>         wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No offense to any
>         realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
>         Not what you can do.
>
>         First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that
>         is doing it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured
>         on several major networks including 20/20, Fox News, and
>         others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales in every state
>         legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
>         mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA
>         license, and they are doing it legally.
>
>         Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a
>         similar method of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing
>         it? I am not 100% sure. But they are and if there was
>         something wrong with what they were doing I am sure they would
>         have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not REA's!
>
>         Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one.
>         Maybe you can run it under "Find out what the public would pay
>         for your home" or "Fair Market Analysis" and let the seller
>         decide if he or she wants to sell the home at the price that
>         was determined. If they do, then they have a list of people
>         who are willing to pay that.
>
>         I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the
>         price the public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers
>         are fact junkies. Just the facts. What is wrong with your
>         home, what defects, etc. They miss facts or values that others
>         may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and school,
>         kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that
>         can be checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".
>
>         My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers
>         can not put in their little appraisal forms. These are the
>         values that real people see and are willing to pay for.
>
>         Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct
>         real estate brokering without an REA license. Then there would
>         be no such thing as Real Estate Investors.
>
>         I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that
>         they have forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into
>         Assignments. Someone is doing this and so can you.
>
>         Best,
>         Shane
>
>         On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming
>         <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com
>         <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Jeff,
>
>          
>
>         I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a
>         scholar, but based upon my own understanding of this subject
>         after years as a Realtor and based upon checking with fellow
>         Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  
>
>          
>
>         As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to
>         the Real Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an
>         active license is a criminal offense; specifically, a Class A
>         misdemeanor punishable by confinement of up to one year in a
>         county jail and a fine of up to $4,000.00.  Unlicensed
>         activity in Florida can result in a first degree misdemeanor
>         criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
>         hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida
>         in particular is cracking down on people who mistakenly think
>         that taking options on properties constitutes taking an
>         ownership interest and therefore excludes them from needing to
>         be licensed.
>
>          
>
>         What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its
>         own definition, but in general almost every activity connected
>         with a real estate transaction, including negotiating a
>         purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers and sellers, when
>         performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in the
>         expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  
>
>          
>
>         Your contention that you can't find any information anywhere
>         that states that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real
>         estate reserved only for brokers does have merit, however.  In
>         fact, that practice is reserved primarily for licensed
>         appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do "strictly
>         pricing" the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV
>         by conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a
>         fee, while it may result in finding the FMV, is not the
>         equivalent to "strictly pricing" the home.  It IS the
>         equivalent to practicing real estate.
>
>          
>
>         All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as
>         this is great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions,
>         experiences, and so on.  If you want more, and if you are
>         still actively licensed in one of the states mentioned, the
>         best place to get free legal analysis is through your
>         association's legal hotline.  If you are not actively
>         licensed, the other free alternative is to contact the
>         respective departments of licensing in the states where you
>         intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place to get
>         actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice
>         insurance, is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a
>         client, for a fee.
>
>          
>
>         Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as
>         though you've spent some time and effort looking into this. 
>         If it turns out that 5-day Pricings can be conducted in such a
>         way that licensing is not required, there are loads of people
>         around the country who would be interested in conducting them
>         commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure
>         them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you,
>         or even a franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>
>          
>
>         Keep us posted.
>
>          
>
>         Jim F -- Realtor
>
>         Vancouver WA
>
>          
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com
>         <http://gmail.com/>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/>
>         [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
>         <mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>=gmail.com
>         <http://gmail.com/>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/>] *On Behalf Of
>         *Jeff Brown
>         *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>
>
>         *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <mailto:5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>         *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>          
>
>         Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in
>         Tennessee, Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my
>         only question here was: are we really "negotiating the sales
>         price" for the seller by finding the FMV of their home?? I
>         cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
>         pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us
>         lofty brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is
>         reached at the end of the 5 days...The seller and possible
>         buyer consummate their own deal! The highest bidder is not
>         necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the seller to
>         find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is
>         reached...As Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you
>         all again! 
>
>          
>
>
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From hsiclang at windstream.net  Tue Jan 19 20:39:25 2010
From: hsiclang at windstream.net (The Langs)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:39:25 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Rural 5-Day Sales
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References: <4B55FF18.1000209@effros.com>
Message-ID: <0954AC1A9F844E37A5A0D597A358264B@MGI>

This is great information!  We really appreciate your response and
willingness to do a little research in our behalf.  While we know that our
situation is a bit unique, we believe that the 5-day approach is sound and
will work.  That's been proven many times over.

 

We believe that "getting the word out" will require a bit of thinking
outside the box, but there's plenty of ways to get it done and pull in those
25+ responders.

 

We'll keep you posted.  Right now it's time to keep going on some repairs.

 

Rich & Barb

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From shane.myko at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 21:33:48 2010
From: shane.myko at gmail.com (Shane Weller)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:33:48 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
In-Reply-To: <4B5622DA.4000105@effros.com>
References: <5f7a.584fe29a.38872ef8@aol.com> <4B55F9BE.4090006@effros.com>
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This makes much more sense.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

>  Jim,
>
> It's complicated.
>
> I first tried the 5-Day Method when Windows 1 was Microsoft's new operating
> system; Apple had a computer named after Steve Jobs' girlfriend; and nobody
> had even dreamed of Google.
>
> I wrote a book about the 5-Day Method following a chance encounter with the
> shortstop on my college intramural baseball team who I hadn't seen in 25
> years.
>
> While doing publicity for the first edition of the book, I was approached
> by George Cappony who told me he liked the idea.
>
> When the Internet started to develop, I got a Web Address, however I had no
> time to develop the web site. At some point George said he would develop my
> site for me, at no cost, and the web site would display only information
> approved by me.
>
> I gave him permission, with the explicit understanding that he could never
> speak for me, and that I would sever all ties with him if he ever
> embarrassed me.
>
> My entire relationship with George is described on pages 63 and 64 of the
> Third Edition of my book.
>
> I completely severed all ties with George shortly after the Third Edition
> of the book was published. George told me the individual who hosted the web
> site and did much of the work on it had refused to return my Internet
> Address until George paid him money he said he was due. George also told me
> that the web site host planned to continue running George's business from
> that web site, with or without George.
>
> The web site posted to this Forum is a different web site address.  My web
> site was eventually returned to me, although I still don't have the time to
> develop it.  The last time I spoke to George, a couple of years ago, I told
> him I didn't ever want him to say he currently worked with me, or with my
> approval, and that I never wanted to speak with him again.  He said he
> understood, and that he had completely left the "5-Day Method Consulting
> Business" to pursue more profitable ventures.
>
> I have never accepted money from George or anyone else, except my
> publisher, in connection with the 5-Day Method or 5-Day sales.
>
> Bill Effros
> Author
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> James Fleming wrote:
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
>
>
> Thank you for weighing in.  GC?s site leads visitors like me and Shane to
> the conclusion that you and GC have a business relationship.  Your response
> in this thread leaves no doubt that this is NOT the case.  And, as you
> mentioned, this is not the first time you have addressed this issue on the
> forum.  But yesterday, when Shane pointed us to GC?s website, I visited it
> to see what he was talking about.  I got the impression that you and George
> had come to terms.  Were you ever affiliated, or is this all fabrication on
> George?s part?
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Jim F ? Realtor
>
> Vancouver WA
>
>
>
> * *
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:*
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com[
> mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com<5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Bill Effros
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:28 AM
> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Thanks, Janet and Rosemarie,
>
> I have not been following this thread.
>
> George called me several years ago to tell me he had taken down this site,
> and had stopped making these claims.  He also said he was out of the 5-Day
> consulting business.  I have neither the time nor the inclination to chase
> him down.
>
> Anyone who wants to know what I think about George Cappony and his methods
> should go to the early months of the archives and read our exchanges.
>
> Following is a sample:  (George used a lot of proxies and fake email
> addresses--I can't tell you the speaker is George, and I can't tell you he
> put this writer up to joining this Forum, but I can tell you that unlike
> Janet, I DID throw him off this Forum, and I DID tell him not to return.)
>
> This is taken directly from the archive, May 19, 2007:
>
>
>  Jamie,
>
>
>
> I'm glad you had a successful experience with George, and glad you have
>
> posted it to this Forum.  That is what this Forum is for.
>
>
>
> George's sales frequently suffer from Buyer's remorse--as you have
>
> stated "the highest bidder dropped out, and the backups did not come
>
> through initially".  This sometimes happens in 5-Day Sales run according
>
> to the book, but extremely rarely.
>
>
>
> In my opinion, George's method fails to locate the best buyer at the
>
> best price, and then tries to hammer both the buyers obtained and the
>
> seller into settling on a lower price than would have been obtained by
>
> using the 5-Day Method as presented in the book.
>
>
>
> This may result in a sale, but, in my opinion, and how can I prove it,
>
> ... let me say "based on my experience" ... the seller could have sold
>
> the home at a higher price if the 5-Day Method were exactly followed.
>
>
>
> Properly run 5-Day Sales don't need consultants.
>
>
>
> Reserves are not legal in many places when used the way you imply you
>
> used yours.  You do not have to take any price you don't want.  When I
>
> found out what people meant by the phrase "He guided us to through
>
> negotiations and got us to our reserve" I was, quite frankly, appalled.
>
> You may not mean it in the same way it has been explained to me by others.
>
>
>
> What do you mean by that phrase?
>
>
>
> Is it something you are prepared to specify in an open Forum?  Or is it
>
> something you suspect may be illegal or immoral?
>
>
>
> This is my problem with George's modifications, and this is my
>
> publisher's problem with George's modifications.  We both want to make
>
> sure it is completely understood that these are George's methods,
>
> neither advocated nor endorsed by us.
>
>
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
>
> janetislight at aol.com wrote:
>
> I think before Bill "weighs in" on George Cappony, a conversation with his
> lawyer would need to happen.  Just saying others are out doing similar
> things, but to name a name?  Not smart.
>
>
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:03:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com writes:
>
>  I hope Bill will weigh in on this one, but my understanding is that he
> does NOT endorse George Cappony.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* James Fleming <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>
>
> *To:* 'How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days'<5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:51 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Shane,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros
> endorsed/endorses George Cappony.  George?s site looks very interesting; I
> encourage anyone who hasn?t visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken
> Bill?s system to a new level.
>
>
>
> Jim F ? Realtor
>
> Vancouver WA
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:*
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com[
> mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com<5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Shane Weller
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Jim.
> I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the
> phrase:
>
> "Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years
> ago."
>
> This is according to Cappony's website:
> http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm
>
> Best,
> Shane
>
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming <
> jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Shane,
>
>
>
> George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don?t mean to sound critical,
> but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?
>
>
>
> Jim F
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate<5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
> =gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] *On Behalf Of *Shane
> Weller
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM
>
>
> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
>
> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Jeff,
> Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
> That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
> anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
> personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
> offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
> Not what you can do.
>
> First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
> He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
> including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
> in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
> mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
> they are doing it legally.
>
> Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
> of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
> they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
> sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
> REA's!
>
> Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
> run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
> Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
> home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
> people who are willing to pay that.
>
> I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
> public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
> the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
> or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
> school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
> checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".
>
> My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
> their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
> are willing to pay for.
>
> Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
> brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
> Estate Investors.
>
> I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
> forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
> this and so can you.
>
> Best,
> Shane
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <
> jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
>
>
> I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
> based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
> based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.
>
>
>
> As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
> Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
> criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
> confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
> $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
> misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
> hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
> is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
> properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
> them from needing to be licensed.
>
>
>
> What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own
> definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real
> estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting
> buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee,
> or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.
>
>
>
> Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states
> that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
> brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
> primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
> ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
> conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
> result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the
> home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
>
>
>
> All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
> for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
> want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
> mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
> association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
> free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
> the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
> to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
> is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
>
>
>
> Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve
> spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day
> Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required,
> there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in
> conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure
> them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a
> franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>
>
>
> Keep us posted.
>
>
>
> Jim F ? Realtor
>
> Vancouver WA
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
> 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate<5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>
> =gmail.com at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Brown
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>
>
> *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>
>
> Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas
> and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
> really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
> their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
> pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
> brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
> the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
> highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
> seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
> Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again!
>
>
>
>
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From: jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com (James Fleming)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:46:04 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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It sure does Shane; things are seldom as they seem.  Thank you Bill for
sharing with the forum what must have been a disheartening and frustrating
experience.  

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 

 

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From:
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mein5days.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtose
llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:34 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

This makes much more sense.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

Jim,

It's complicated.

I first tried the 5-Day Method when Windows 1 was Microsoft's new operating
system; Apple had a computer named after Steve Jobs' girlfriend; and nobody
had even dreamed of Google.

I wrote a book about the 5-Day Method following a chance encounter with the
shortstop on my college intramural baseball team who I hadn't seen in 25
years.

While doing publicity for the first edition of the book, I was approached by
George Cappony who told me he liked the idea.

When the Internet started to develop, I got a Web Address, however I had no
time to develop the web site. At some point George said he would develop my
site for me, at no cost, and the web site would display only information
approved by me.

I gave him permission, with the explicit understanding that he could never
speak for me, and that I would sever all ties with him if he ever
embarrassed me.

My entire relationship with George is described on pages 63 and 64 of the
Third Edition of my book.

I completely severed all ties with George shortly after the Third Edition of
the book was published. George told me the individual who hosted the web
site and did much of the work on it had refused to return my Internet
Address until George paid him money he said he was due. George also told me
that the web site host planned to continue running George's business from
that web site, with or without George.

The web site posted to this Forum is a different web site address.  My web
site was eventually returned to me, although I still don't have the time to
develop it.  The last time I spoke to George, a couple of years ago, I told
him I didn't ever want him to say he currently worked with me, or with my
approval, and that I never wanted to speak with him again.  He said he
understood, and that he had completely left the "5-Day Method Consulting
Business" to pursue more profitable ventures.

I have never accepted money from George or anyone else, except my publisher,
in connection with the 5-Day Method or 5-Day sales.

Bill Effros
Author













James Fleming wrote: 

 

Bill,

 

Thank you for weighing in.  GC's site leads visitors like me and Shane to
the conclusion that you and GC have a business relationship.  Your response
in this thread leaves no doubt that this is NOT the case.  And, as you
mentioned, this is not the first time you have addressed this issue on the
forum.  But yesterday, when Shane pointed us to GC's website, I visited it
to see what he was talking about.  I got the impression that you and George
had come to terms.  Were you ever affiliated, or is this all fabrication on
George's part?

 

Best,

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 

 

 

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From:
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mein5days.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtose
llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:28 AM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Thanks, Janet and Rosemarie,

I have not been following this thread.

George called me several years ago to tell me he had taken down this site,
and had stopped making these claims.  He also said he was out of the 5-Day
consulting business.  I have neither the time nor the inclination to chase
him down.

Anyone who wants to know what I think about George Cappony and his methods
should go to the early months of the archives and read our exchanges.

Following is a sample:  (George used a lot of proxies and fake email
addresses--I can't tell you the speaker is George, and I can't tell you he
put this writer up to joining this Forum, but I can tell you that unlike
Janet, I DID throw him off this Forum, and I DID tell him not to return.)

This is taken directly from the archive, May 19, 2007:



Jamie,
 
I'm glad you had a successful experience with George, and glad you have 
posted it to this Forum.  That is what this Forum is for.
 
George's sales frequently suffer from Buyer's remorse--as you have 
stated "the highest bidder dropped out, and the backups did not come 
through initially".  This sometimes happens in 5-Day Sales run according 
to the book, but extremely rarely. 
 
In my opinion, George's method fails to locate the best buyer at the 
best price, and then tries to hammer both the buyers obtained and the 
seller into settling on a lower price than would have been obtained by 
using the 5-Day Method as presented in the book.
 
This may result in a sale, but, in my opinion, and how can I prove it, 
... let me say "based on my experience" ... the seller could have sold 
the home at a higher price if the 5-Day Method were exactly followed.
 
Properly run 5-Day Sales don't need consultants. 
 
Reserves are not legal in many places when used the way you imply you 
used yours.  You do not have to take any price you don't want.  When I 
found out what people meant by the phrase "He guided us to through 
negotiations and got us to our reserve" I was, quite frankly, appalled.  
You may not mean it in the same way it has been explained to me by others.
 
What do you mean by that phrase?
 
Is it something you are prepared to specify in an open Forum?  Or is it 
something you suspect may be illegal or immoral?
 
This is my problem with George's modifications, and this is my 
publisher's problem with George's modifications.  We both want to make 
sure it is completely understood that these are George's methods, 
neither advocated nor endorsed by us.
 
Bill Effros




janetislight at aol.com wrote: 

I think before Bill "weighs in" on George Cappony, a conversation with his
lawyer would need to happen.  Just saying others are out doing similar
things, but to name a name?  Not smart.

 

Janet

 

 

In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:03:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,
rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com writes:

I hope Bill will weigh in on this one, but my understanding is that he does
NOT endorse George Cappony.

Rosemarie

----- Original Message ----- 

From: James Fleming <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>  

To: 'How To Sell <mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
Your Home in 5-Days' 

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:51 AM

Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Shane,

 

Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros endorsed/endorses
George Cappony.  George's site looks very interesting; I encourage anyone
who hasn't visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken Bill's system to a
new level.

 

Jim F - Realtor 

Vancouver WA

 


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From:
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mein5days.com
[mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com at mailman.howtose
llyourhomein5days.com] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jim.
I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the
phrase: 

"Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years
ago."

This is according to Cappony's website:
http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm

Best,
Shane





On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Shane,

 

George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don't mean to sound critical,
but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?

 

Jim F

 


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<http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/> ] On Behalf Of Shane Weller
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM


To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days

Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
Not what you can do.

First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it.
He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks
including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales
in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and
they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
people who are willing to pay that. 

I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in
their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and
are willing to pay for. 

Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
this and so can you. 

Best,
Shane

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming
<jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

Jeff,

 

I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  

 

As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
$4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
them from needing to be licensed.

 

What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition,
but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate
transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers
and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in
the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  

 

Your contention that you can't find any information anywhere that states
that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
"strictly pricing" the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to "strictly pricing" the
home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.

 

All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great
for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you
want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
association's legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.

 

Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you've spent
some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings
can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are
loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting
them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to
avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise,
if you come up with the right approach.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Jim F - Realtor

Vancouver WA

 


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Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"

 

Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and
Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we
really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of
their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly
pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of
the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The
highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
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From bill at effros.com  Wed Jan 20 10:58:41 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:58:41 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Quick Sales
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References: <3fb6b.34362d8d.38866191@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B572831.2040805@effros.com>

Janet,

I've done radio publicity with people in many cities who are "buying" 
homes in foreclosure from banks at 60% of what they believe is current 
value, immediately running 5-Day Sales, and selling them to the high 
bidder Sunday night.

I don't think either the paperwork or the money ever catches up with the 
deal -- everything happens at the closing when whoever actually owns the 
property at that point conveys it to the new final buyer, and all the 
middle people settle their profits and losses.

I have spoken to people whose firms do 10 of these sales a weekend--they 
have people beating the bushes to find homes to buy, crews to show the 
homes and run the round-robins, they know the local market better than 
anyone, they always play fair, sell to the high bidder, and move on, 
they can't imagine why anyone would sell a home any other way.  If they 
get less than 90% of what they expected, the buyer for the firm is in 
trouble, and all the other buyers adjust what they offer the banks.

Bill Effros
Author

janetislight at aol.com wrote:
> I am a real estate investor and own my properties.  I'm a cash kind of 
> gal, so what you are saying piqued my interest on how others do it.  
> If you have the house on contract.... what do you mean.  Did you buy 
> it on contract, not closed on it and are selling the contract to 
> another?  As I understand it, if you buy say 10 dollars worth of a 
> house, then you are clear.  You have an interest in the property.
>  
> This is an interesting topic!
>  
> Janet
>  
> In a message dated 1/18/2010 5:56:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
> shane.myko at gmail.com writes:
>
>     Well, what about locking up a house on contract with the option to
>     sell it to another individual. wouldnt I then be able to hold the
>     5 day sale to find a buyer I can sell the home to? Is that
>     skirting the law? Is there anything wrong with that? It seems
>     legit to me. I mean assignments and IEE's are done all the time in
>     my area. Cant this just be another method of finding a buyer for
>     me to sell the home to?
>
>     I would hate to use this 5 day-method as an investor in the hopes
>     of trying to find the highest price and then get in legal trouble
>     for it. Because right now that is the way I understand it. That I
>     can not use this method if I only have the house on contract. Is
>     this true?
>
>
>
>     On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM, <lbicon at aol.com
>     <mailto:lbicon at aol.com>> wrote:
>
>         Shane,
>         You are *hillarious*. Guess who my business partner was for
>         the last 5 years? I'll give you a hint his ititials are G.C.
>         My emaill address is one from a long time ago and there is no
>         hidden message. I grew up on Long Beach Island hence LBI and
>         the first 3 letter of my name and my nickname is CON.
>          
>         BTW I never told anyone that they couldn't do it. I told Jeff
>         that he was better off being licensed. Don't you think that
>         hundreds of people have already approched Bill about starting
>         a consulting business. Guess why it hasn't happened.
>          
>         CK
>          
>
>
>          
>
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Shane Weller <shane.myko at gmail.com
>         <mailto:shane.myko at gmail.com>>
>         To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
>         <5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>         <mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>>
>         Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:20 am
>         Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>         Jeff,
>         Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it
>         is illegal. That does not make any sense. Most importantly do
>         not take advice from anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name
>         alone does not pass my own personal "smell test".  And I
>         wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No offense to any
>         realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
>         Not what you can do.
>
>         First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that
>         is doing it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured
>         on several major networks including 20/20, Fox News, and
>         others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales in every state
>         legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I
>         mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA
>         license, and they are doing it legally.
>
>         Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a
>         similar method of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing
>         it? I am not 100% sure. But they are and if there was
>         something wrong with what they were doing I am sure they would
>         have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not REA's!
>
>         Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one.
>         Maybe you can run it under "Find out what the public would pay
>         for your home" or "Fair Market Analysis" and let the seller
>         decide if he or she wants to sell the home at the price that
>         was determined. If they do, then they have a list of people
>         who are willing to pay that.
>
>         I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the
>         price the public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers
>         are fact junkies. Just the facts. What is wrong with your
>         home, what defects, etc. They miss facts or values that others
>         may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and school,
>         kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that
>         can be checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".
>
>         My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers
>         can not put in their little appraisal forms. These are the
>         values that real people see and are willing to pay for.
>
>         Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct
>         real estate brokering without an REA license. Then there would
>         be no such thing as Real Estate Investors.
>
>         I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that
>         they have forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into
>         Assignments. Someone is doing this and so can you.
>
>         Best,
>         Shane
>
>         On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming
>         <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com
>         <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Jeff,
>              
>             I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as
>             a scholar, but based upon my own understanding of this
>             subject after years as a Realtor and based upon checking
>             with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  
>              
>             As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according
>             to the Real Estate License Act, practicing real estate
>             without an active license is a criminal offense;
>             specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
>             confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine
>             of up to $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can
>             result in a first degree misdemeanor criminal charge and a
>             fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences hold in
>             Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in
>             particular is cracking down on people who mistakenly think
>             that taking options on properties constitutes taking an
>             ownership interest and therefore excludes them from
>             needing to be licensed.
>              
>             What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has
>             its own definition, but in general almost every activity
>             connected with a real estate transaction, including
>             negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers and
>             sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or
>             a fee, or in the expectation of same, constitutes
>             practicing real estate.  
>              
>             Your contention that you can?t find any information
>             anywhere that states that ?strictly pricing? a home is an
>             act of real estate reserved only for brokers does have
>             merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
>             primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what
>             you want to do ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the
>             FMV, you are finding the FMV by conducting a 5-day sale.  
>             Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may result in
>             finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly
>             pricing? the home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing
>             real estate.
>              
>             All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such
>             as this is great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions,
>             experiences, and so on.  If you want more, and if you are
>             still actively licensed in one of the states mentioned,
>             the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
>             association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively
>             licensed, the other free alternative is to contact the
>             respective departments of licensing in the states where
>             you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
>             to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by
>             malpractice insurance, is from a lawyer who provides it to
>             you, as a client, for a fee.
>              
>             Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as
>             though you?ve spent some time and effort looking into
>             this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings can be
>             conducted in such a way that licensing is not required,
>             there are loads of people around the country who would be
>             interested in conducting them commercially in their areas
>             and in hearing how to structure them to avoid
>             prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a
>             franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>              
>             Keep us posted.
>              
>             Jim F ? Realtor
>             Vancouver WA
>              
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:*
>             5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com
>             <http://gmail.com/>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
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>             <http://gmail.com/>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>             <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com/>] *On Behalf
>             Of *Jeff Brown
>             *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>
>             *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>             <mailto:5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>             *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>              
>             Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in
>             Tennessee, Texas and Florida. So i understand license
>             law...my only question here was: are we really
>             "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding
>             the FMV of their home?? I cant find any information
>             anywhere that states that "strictly pricing" a home is an
>             act of real estate reserved only for us lofty brokers?? We
>             don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end
>             of the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate
>             their own deal! The highest bidder is not necessarily the
>             Buyer in this case...its up to the seller to find his
>             buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr.
>             Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 
>              
>
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From janetislight at aol.com  Wed Jan 20 11:03:19 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:03:19 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Quick Sales
Message-ID: <78cc.50395da1.38888347@aol.com>

Bill,
 
Thank you.  Something to think about.
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/20/2010 10:00:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
bill at effros.com writes:

Janet,

I've done radio publicity  with people in many cities who are "buying" 
homes in foreclosure from banks at  60% of what they believe is current value, 
immediately running 5-Day Sales,  and selling them to the high bidder Sunday 
night.

I don't think either  the paperwork or the money ever catches up with the 
deal -- everything happens  at the closing when whoever actually owns the 
property at that point conveys  it to the new final buyer, and all the middle 
people settle their profits and  losses.

I have spoken to people whose firms do 10 of these sales a  weekend--they 
have people beating the bushes to find homes to buy, crews to  show the homes 
and run the round-robins, they know the local market better  than anyone, 
they always play fair, sell to the high bidder, and move on, they  can't 
imagine why anyone would sell a home any other way.  If they get  less than 90% 
of what they expected, the buyer for the firm is in trouble, and  all the 
other buyers adjust what they offer the banks.

Bill  Effros
Author

_janetislight at aol.com_ (mailto:janetislight at aol.com)  wrote:  
I am a real estate investor and own my properties.  I'm a cash  kind of 
gal, so what you are saying piqued my interest on how others do  it.  If you 
have the house on contract.... what do you mean.  Did  you buy it on contract, 
not closed on it and are selling the contract to  another?  As I understand 
it, if you buy say 10 dollars worth of a  house, then you are clear.  You 
have an interest in the property.
 
This is an interesting topic!
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2010 5:56:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
_shane.myko at gmail.com_ (mailto:shane.myko at gmail.com)  writes:

Well, what  about locking up a house on contract with the option to sell it 
to another  individual. wouldnt I then be able to hold the 5 day sale to 
find a buyer  I can sell the home to? Is that skirting the law? Is there 
anything wrong  with that? It seems legit to me. I mean assignments and IEE's are 
done all  the time in my area. Cant this just be another method of finding 
a buyer  for me to sell the home to? 

I would hate to use this  5 day-method as an investor in the hopes of 
trying to find the highest  price and then get in legal trouble for it. Because 
right now that is the  way I understand it. That I can not use this method if 
I only have the  house on contract. Is this true?



On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM, <_lbicon at aol.com_ (mailto:lbicon at aol.com) 
> wrote:

Shane, 
You are hillarious. Guess who my business partner was for  the last 5 
years? I'll give you a hint his ititials are G.C. My emaill  address is one from 
a long time ago and there is no hidden message. I  grew up on Long Beach 
Island hence LBI and the first 3 letter of my name  and my nickname is CON.
 
BTW I never told anyone that they couldn't do it. I told Jeff that  he was 
better off being licensed. Don't you think that hundreds of  people have 
already approched Bill about starting a consulting business.  Guess why it 
hasn't happened.
 
CK
 
 






-----Original  Message-----
From: Shane Weller <_shane.myko at gmail.com_ (mailto:shane.myko at gmail.com) >
To:  How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days 
<_5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com_ (mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com) >
Sent:  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:20 am
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a  "pricing consultant"

Jeff,
Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or  that it is illegal. 
That does not make any sense. Most importantly do  not take advice from 
anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone  does not pass my own personal 
"smell test".  And I wouldnt take  advice from a Realtor either. No offense 
to any realtors out there, but  they are all told what you CANT DO!! Not 
what you can do.

First  of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing 
it. He  is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major 
networks  including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day  
sales in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state?  See 
what I mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA  license, 
and they are doing it legally. 

Heck even in my town  there are "investors" who are trying a similar method 
of selling homes  in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But 
they are and  if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am 
sure they  would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not  
REA's!

Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new  one. Maybe you can 
run it under "Find out what the public would pay for  your home" or "Fair 
Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or  she wants to sell the 
home at the price that was determined. If they do,  then they have a list of 
people who are willing to pay that. 

I  dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the  
public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies.  Just 
the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They  miss facts 
or values that others may possibly see in a home, like  distance to work and 
school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it  doesnt have a box that can 
be checked on their form it doesnt have a  "value".

My point is this. There are values in a home that  appraisers can not put 
in their little appraisal forms. These are the  values that real people see 
and are willing to pay for. 

Dont  listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate  
brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as  Real 
Estate Investors. 

I think REA's are so used to hearing what  is not possible that they have 
forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look  into Assignments. Someone is doing 
this and so can you.  

Best,
Shane

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming  
<_jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com_ (mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com) >  wrote:


 
Jeff,
 
I will respond to your  question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but 
based upon my own  understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and 
based upon  checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee. 
 

As a former Texas Broker  you know that in Texas, according to the Real 
Estate License Act,  practicing real estate without an active license is a 
criminal  offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by confinement 
 of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to  $4,000.00.  
Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first  degree misdemeanor criminal 
charge and a fine up to  $5,000. Similar consequences hold in Tennessee.  On 
a  related note, I was told that Florida in particular is cracking down  on 
people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties  constitutes 
taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes them  from needing to be 
licensed.
 
What constitutes  practicing real estate?  Each state has its own 
definition, but  in general almost every activity connected with a real estate  
transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting  buyers and 
sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or  a fee, or in the 
expectation of same, constitutes practicing real  estate.  
 
Your contention that you  can?t find any information anywhere that states 
that ?strictly  pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for 
brokers  does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved  
primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you  want to do ?
strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are  finding the FMV by 
conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a  5-day sale for a fee, while it may result 
in finding the FMV, is not  the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the home. 
 It IS the  equivalent to practicing real estate.
 
All of this is solely my  take on the issues.  A forum such as this is 
great for sharing  perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you 
 want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states  
mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your  
association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed,  the other free 
alternative is to contact the respective departments of  licensing in the states 
where you intend to conduct your 5 Day  Pricings.  The only place to get 
actual and actionable legal  advice, covered by malpractice insurance, is from 
a lawyer who  provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
 
Good luck in your quest  for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve 
spent some time  and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day  
Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not  required, there 
are loads of people around the country who would be  interested in 
conducting them commercially in their areas and in  hearing how to structure them to 
avoid prosecution.  This could  lead to a book for you, or even a franchise, 
if you come up with the  right approach.
 
Keep us  posted.
 
Jim F ?  Realtor
Vancouver WA
 
 
  
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To: _5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com_ 
(mailto:5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com) 
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a  "pricing consultant"

 
 
 
Thanks to  all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas 
and  Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are  
we really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the  FMV of 
their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states  that 
"strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only  for us lofty 
brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is  reached at the end of the 
5 days...The seller and possible buyer  consummate their own deal! The 
highest bidder is not necessarily the  Buyer in this case...its up to the seller 
to find his buyer and close  the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill 
O'Reilly says: Am I  wrong? Thanks to you all again! 


 



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From bill at effros.com  Wed Jan 20 11:03:49 2010
From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:03:49 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
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Shane,

Real Estate laws differ from state to state, as do the penalties.  There 
were many states George would not enter.

Bill Effros
Author

Shane Weller wrote:
> Yeah Jim,
> but how is that he is able to take it to the next level and not anyone 
> else? How is it possible that he is not legally bound to the normal RE 
> laws that you and I are bound to? What I am asking is, how is it 
> alright for him to be a "consultant" in several states yet illegal for 
> us to run the same game. Isnt he bringing together buyer and seller? 
> Isnt he getting paid a fee for his services in finding a buyer and 
> negotiating a price? How can he do this in states he is not licensed? 
> How come we cant do the same thing. How can something like this be 
> legal for one person but illegal for another? I just dont understand 
> and that is what I am trying to get to the bottom of.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:51 PM, James Fleming 
> <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com 
> <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Shane,
>
>      
>
>     Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros
>     endorsed/endorses George Cappony.  George?s site looks very
>     interesting; I encourage anyone who hasn?t visited it to do so. 
>     He seems to have taken Bill?s system to a new level.
>
>      
>
>     Jim F ? Realtor
>
>     Vancouver WA
>
>      
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com
>     <http://gmail.com>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>     <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>     [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
>     <mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>=gmail.com
>     <http://gmail.com>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>     <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>] *On Behalf Of
>     *Shane Weller
>     *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
>
>     *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
>     *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>      
>
>     Jim.
>     I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used
>     the phrase:
>
>     "Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method
>     11 years ago."
>
>     This is according to Cappony's website:
>     http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm
>
>     Best,
>     Shane
>
>
>
>     On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming
>     <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Shane,
>
>      
>
>     George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don?t mean to sound
>     critical, but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where
>     did you hear that?
>
>      
>
>     Jim F
>
>      
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com
>     <http://gmail.com>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>     <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>     [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
>     <mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>=gmail.com
>     <http://gmail.com>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>     <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>] *On Behalf Of
>     *Shane Weller
>     *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM
>
>
>     *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
>
>     *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>      
>
>     Jeff,
>     Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is
>     illegal. That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not
>     take advice from anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone
>     does not pass my own personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take
>     advice from a Realtor either. No offense to any realtors out
>     there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!! Not what you can do.
>
>     First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is
>     doing it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on
>     several major networks including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So
>     how can that guy run 5-day sales in every state legally if he isnt
>     a licensed REA in every state? See what I mean? People are doing
>     this, they are doing it without an REA license, and they are doing
>     it legally.
>
>     Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a
>     similar method of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it?
>     I am not 100% sure. But they are and if there was something wrong
>     with what they were doing I am sure they would have been fined or
>     punished eons ago. And they are not REA's!
>
>     Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe
>     you can run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your
>     home" or "Fair Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or
>     she wants to sell the home at the price that was determined. If
>     they do, then they have a list of people who are willing to pay that.
>
>     I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the
>     price the public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are
>     fact junkies. Just the facts. What is wrong with your home, what
>     defects, etc. They miss facts or values that others may possibly
>     see in a home, like distance to work and school, kitchen layout,
>     gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be checked on
>     their form it doesnt have a "value".
>
>     My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can
>     not put in their little appraisal forms. These are the values that
>     real people see and are willing to pay for.
>
>     Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real
>     estate brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no
>     such thing as Real Estate Investors.
>
>     I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that
>     they have forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into
>     Assignments. Someone is doing this and so can you.
>
>     Best,
>     Shane
>
>     On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming
>     <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Jeff,
>
>      
>
>     I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a
>     scholar, but based upon my own understanding of this subject after
>     years as a Realtor and based upon checking with fellow Realtors in
>     Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  
>
>      
>
>     As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the
>     Real Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active
>     license is a criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor
>     punishable by confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a
>     fine of up to $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can
>     result in a first degree misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up
>     to $5,000. Similar consequences hold in Tennessee.  On a related
>     note, I was told that Florida in particular is cracking down on
>     people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties
>     constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
>     them from needing to be licensed.
>
>      
>
>     What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own
>     definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a
>     real estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale,
>     or soliciting buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation,
>     a commission, or a fee, or in the expectation of same, constitutes
>     practicing real estate.  
>
>      
>
>     Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that
>     states that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate
>     reserved only for brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that
>     practice is reserved primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although
>     you call what you want to do ?strictly pricing? the home by
>     finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by conducting a 5-day
>     sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may result in
>     finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the
>     home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
>
>      
>
>     All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this
>     is great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences,
>     and so on.  If you want more, and if you are still actively
>     licensed in one of the states mentioned, the best place to get
>     free legal analysis is through your association?s legal hotline. 
>     If you are not actively licensed, the other free alternative is to
>     contact the respective departments of licensing in the states
>     where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
>     to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice
>     insurance, is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client,
>     for a fee.
>
>      
>
>     Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though
>     you?ve spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns
>     out that 5-day Pricings can be conducted in such a way that
>     licensing is not required, there are loads of people around the
>     country who would be interested in conducting them commercially in
>     their areas and in hearing how to structure them to avoid
>     prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a
>     franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>
>      
>
>     Keep us posted.
>
>      
>
>     Jim F ? Realtor
>
>     Vancouver WA
>
>      
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com
>     <http://gmail.com>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>     <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>     [mailto:5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate
>     <mailto:5-dayforum-bounces%2Bjamesfleming.realestate>=gmail.com
>     <http://gmail.com>@mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>     <http://mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
>     Brown
>     *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>
>
>     *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>     <mailto:5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>     *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>
>      
>
>     Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee,
>     Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question
>     here was: are we really "negotiating the sales price" for the
>     seller by finding the FMV of their home?? I cant find any
>     information anywhere that states that "strictly pricing" a home is
>     an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty brokers?? We
>     don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of the
>     5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal!
>     The highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its
>     up to the seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the
>     FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to
>     you all again! 
>
>      
>
>
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From rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  Wed Jan 20 11:55:29 2010
From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com (Rosemarie Belcher)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:55:29 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Thanks, Bill
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Hi Bill,
Thank you for clearing up the confusion about George Cappony. Again! Every so often he pops up and it is good to hear from you what your position is.
This forum sometimes needs a little guidance, doesn't it? So I am glad you are still out there, giving us a little nudge from time to time.
Looking forward to the next edition of your book -
Rosemarie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Effros 
  To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"


  Jim,

  It's complicated.

  I first tried the 5-Day Method when Windows 1 was Microsoft's new operating system; Apple had a computer named after Steve Jobs' girlfriend; and nobody had even dreamed of Google.

  I wrote a book about the 5-Day Method following a chance encounter with the shortstop on my college intramural baseball team who I hadn't seen in 25 years.

  While doing publicity for the first edition of the book, I was approached by George Cappony who told me he liked the idea.

  When the Internet started to develop, I got a Web Address, however I had no time to develop the web site. At some point George said he would develop my site for me, at no cost, and the web site would display only information approved by me.

  I gave him permission, with the explicit understanding that he could never speak for me, and that I would sever all ties with him if he ever embarrassed me.

  My entire relationship with George is described on pages 63 and 64 of the Third Edition of my book.

  I completely severed all ties with George shortly after the Third Edition of the book was published. George told me the individual who hosted the web site and did much of the work on it had refused to return my Internet Address until George paid him money he said he was due. George also told me that the web site host planned to continue running George's business from that web site, with or without George.

  The web site posted to this Forum is a different web site address.  My web site was eventually returned to me, although I still don't have the time to develop it.  The last time I spoke to George, a couple of years ago, I told him I didn't ever want him to say he currently worked with me, or with my approval, and that I never wanted to speak with him again.  He said he understood, and that he had completely left the "5-Day Method Consulting Business" to pursue more profitable ventures.

  I have never accepted money from George or anyone else, except my publisher, in connection with the 5-Day Method or 5-Day sales.

  Bill Effros
  Author













  James Fleming wrote: 


    Bill,



    Thank you for weighing in.  GC's site leads visitors like me and Shane to the conclusion that you and GC have a business relationship.  Your response in this thread leaves no doubt that this is NOT the case.  And, as you mentioned, this is not the first time you have addressed this issue on the forum.  But yesterday, when Shane pointed us to GC's website, I visited it to see what he was talking about.  I got the impression that you and George had come to terms.  Were you ever affiliated, or is this all fabrication on George's part?



    Best,



    Jim F - Realtor

    Vancouver WA








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    Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:28 AM
    To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
    Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"



    Thanks, Janet and Rosemarie,

    I have not been following this thread.

    George called me several years ago to tell me he had taken down this site, and had stopped making these claims.  He also said he was out of the 5-Day consulting business.  I have neither the time nor the inclination to chase him down.

    Anyone who wants to know what I think about George Cappony and his methods should go to the early months of the archives and read our exchanges.

    Following is a sample:  (George used a lot of proxies and fake email addresses--I can't tell you the speaker is George, and I can't tell you he put this writer up to joining this Forum, but I can tell you that unlike Janet, I DID throw him off this Forum, and I DID tell him not to return.)

    This is taken directly from the archive, May 19, 2007:




Jamie, I'm glad you had a successful experience with George, and glad you have posted it to this Forum.  That is what this Forum is for. George's sales frequently suffer from Buyer's remorse--as you have stated "the highest bidder dropped out, and the backups did not come through initially".  This sometimes happens in 5-Day Sales run according to the book, but extremely rarely.  In my opinion, George's method fails to locate the best buyer at the best price, and then tries to hammer both the buyers obtained and the seller into settling on a lower price than would have been obtained by using the 5-Day Method as presented in the book. This may result in a sale, but, in my opinion, and how can I prove it, ... let me say "based on my experience" ... the seller could have sold the home at a higher price if the 5-Day Method were exactly followed. Properly run 5-Day Sales don't need consultants.  Reserves are not legal in many places when used the way you imply you used yours.  You do not have to take any price you don't want.  When I found out what people meant by the phrase "He guided us to through negotiations and got us to our reserve" I was, quite frankly, appalled.  You may not mean it in the same way it has been explained to me by others. What do you mean by that phrase? Is it something you are prepared to specify in an open Forum?  Or is it something you suspect may be illegal or immoral? This is my problem with George's modifications, and this is my publisher's problem with George's modifications.  We both want to make sure it is completely understood that these are George's methods, neither advocated nor endorsed by us. Bill Effros


    janetislight at aol.com wrote: 

    I think before Bill "weighs in" on George Cappony, a conversation with his lawyer would need to happen.  Just saying others are out doing similar things, but to name a name?  Not smart.



    Janet





    In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:03:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com writes:

      I hope Bill will weigh in on this one, but my understanding is that he does NOT endorse George Cappony.

      Rosemarie

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: James Fleming 

        To: 'How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days' 

        Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:51 AM

        Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"



        Shane,



        Thanks for the heads up.  I was not aware that Bill Effros endorsed/endorses George Cappony.  George's site looks very interesting; I encourage anyone who hasn't visited it to do so.  He seems to have taken Bill's system to a new level.



        Jim F - Realtor 

        Vancouver WA




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        Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:53 PM
        To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
        Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"



        Jim.
        I apologize "backed" was not the correct word. I should have used the phrase: 

        "Effros hand-selected George as the national guru for this method 11 years ago."

        This is according to Cappony's website: http://www.5-daysale.com/learn/bio.htm

        Best,
        Shane






        On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, James Fleming <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

        Shane,



        George Cappony is backed by Bill Effros?  I don't mean to sound critical, but I find that extremely difficult to believe.  Where did you hear that?



        Jim F




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        Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM


        To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days

        Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"



        Jeff,
        Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal. That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!! Not what you can do.

        First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major networks including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run 5-day sales in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state? See what I mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA license, and they are doing it legally. 

        Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not REA's!

        Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of people who are willing to pay that. 

        I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".

        My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put in their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see and are willing to pay for. 

        Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real Estate Investors. 

        I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing this and so can you. 

        Best,
        Shane

        On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:

        Jeff,



        I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.  



        As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes them from needing to be licensed.



        What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee, or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.  



        Your contention that you can't find any information anywhere that states that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do "strictly pricing" the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to "strictly pricing" the home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.



        All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If you want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your association's legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance, is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.



        Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you've spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required, there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a franchise, if you come up with the right approach.



        Keep us posted.



        Jim F - Realtor

        Vancouver WA




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        Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee, Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was: are we really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the FMV of their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us lofty brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the end of the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal! The highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again! 




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From shane.myko at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 12:21:37 2010
From: shane.myko at gmail.com (Shane Weller)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:21:37 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Quick Sales
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Bill,
That is something along the lines of what I want to do. I especially like
the streamlining idea. However I dont actually want to purchase the home. I
just want use this method while I have it locked up on contract. And if I
dont find a buyer, then i would like to be able to walk away from the deal
nothing owed to anyone.

1. lock a house up on contract
2. Use my 30 days within that contract to find a buyer using the 5-day
method.
3. Secure a buyer before I have even purchased it yet.

Bill I know you can not advise me on the law. But would you recommend me
using your 5-day method with my system?

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Janet,
>
> I've done radio publicity with people in many cities who are "buying" homes
> in foreclosure from banks at 60% of what they believe is current value,
> immediately running 5-Day Sales, and selling them to the high bidder Sunday
> night.
>
> I don't think either the paperwork or the money ever catches up with the
> deal -- everything happens at the closing when whoever actually owns the
> property at that point conveys it to the new final buyer, and all the middle
> people settle their profits and losses.
>
> I have spoken to people whose firms do 10 of these sales a weekend--they
> have people beating the bushes to find homes to buy, crews to show the homes
> and run the round-robins, they know the local market better than anyone,
> they always play fair, sell to the high bidder, and move on, they can't
> imagine why anyone would sell a home any other way.  If they get less than
> 90% of what they expected, the buyer for the firm is in trouble, and all the
> other buyers adjust what they offer the banks.
>
> Bill Effros
> Author
>
> janetislight at aol.com wrote:
>
> I am a real estate investor and own my properties.  I'm a cash kind of gal,
> so what you are saying piqued my interest on how others do it.  If you have
> the house on contract.... what do you mean.  Did you buy it on contract, not
> closed on it and are selling the contract to another?  As I understand it,
> if you buy say 10 dollars worth of a house, then you are clear.  You have an
> interest in the property.
>
> This is an interesting topic!
>
> Janet
>
>  In a message dated 1/18/2010 5:56:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> shane.myko at gmail.com writes:
>
> Well, what about locking up a house on contract with the option to sell it
> to another individual. wouldnt I then be able to hold the 5 day sale to find
> a buyer I can sell the home to? Is that skirting the law? Is there anything
> wrong with that? It seems legit to me. I mean assignments and IEE's are done
> all the time in my area. Cant this just be another method of finding a buyer
> for me to sell the home to?
>
> I would hate to use this 5 day-method as an investor in the hopes of trying
> to find the highest price and then get in legal trouble for it. Because
> right now that is the way I understand it. That I can not use this method if
> I only have the house on contract. Is this true?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM, <lbicon at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Shane,
>> You are *hillarious*. Guess who my business partner was for the last 5
>> years? I'll give you a hint his ititials are G.C. My emaill address is one
>> from a long time ago and there is no hidden message. I grew up on Long Beach
>> Island hence LBI and the first 3 letter of my name and my nickname is CON.
>>
>> BTW I never told anyone that they couldn't do it. I told Jeff that he was
>> better off being licensed. Don't you think that hundreds of people have
>> already approched Bill about starting a consulting business. Guess why it
>> hasn't happened.
>>
>> CK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shane Weller <shane.myko at gmail.com>
>> To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days <
>> 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:20 am
>> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>>
>> Jeff,
>> Do not let these people tell you it is not possible or that it is illegal.
>> That does not make any sense. Most importantly do not take advice from
>> anyone that has the name Ibicon. The name alone does not pass my own
>> personal "smell test".  And I wouldnt take advice from a Realtor either. No
>> offense to any realtors out there, but they are all told what you CANT DO!!
>> Not what you can do.
>>
>> First of all there is a guy by the name of George Cappony that is doing
>> it. He is backed by Bill Effros. He has been featured on several major
>> networks including 20/20, Fox News, and others. So how can that guy run
>> 5-day sales in every state legally if he isnt a licensed REA in every state?
>> See what I mean? People are doing this, they are doing it without an REA
>> license, and they are doing it legally.
>>
>> Heck even in my town there are "investors" who are trying a similar method
>> of selling homes in 5-days. How they are doing it? I am not 100% sure. But
>> they are and if there was something wrong with what they were doing I am
>> sure they would have been fined or punished eons ago. And they are not
>> REA's!
>>
>> Now as for your idea on "pricing" a home. That is a new one. Maybe you can
>> run it under "Find out what the public would pay for your home" or "Fair
>> Market Analysis" and let the seller decide if he or she wants to sell the
>> home at the price that was determined. If they do, then they have a list of
>> people who are willing to pay that.
>>
>> I dont see anything wrong with helping a seller determine the price the
>> public is willing to pay for their home. Appraisers are fact junkies. Just
>> the facts. What is wrong with your home, what defects, etc. They miss facts
>> or values that others may possibly see in a home, like distance to work and
>> school, kitchen layout, gated area, etc. If it doesnt have a box that can be
>> checked on their form it doesnt have a "value".
>>
>> My point is this. There are values in a home that appraisers can not put
>> in their little appraisal forms. These are the values that real people see
>> and are willing to pay for.
>>
>> Dont listen to nay sayers. If it was not possible to conduct real estate
>> brokering without an REA license. Then there would be no such thing as Real
>> Estate Investors.
>>
>> I think REA's are so used to hearing what is not possible that they have
>> forgotten what is. Look into IEE's look into Assignments. Someone is doing
>> this and so can you.
>>
>> Best,
>> Shane
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 AM, James Fleming <
>> jamesfleming.realestate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Jeff,
>>>
>>> I will respond to your question, not as an expert, not as a scholar, but
>>> based upon my own understanding of this subject after years as a Realtor and
>>> based upon checking with fellow Realtors in Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.
>>>
>>> As a former Texas Broker you know that in Texas, according to the Real
>>> Estate License Act, practicing real estate without an active license is a
>>> criminal offense; specifically, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by
>>> confinement of up to one year in a county jail and a fine of up to
>>> $4,000.00.  Unlicensed activity in Florida can result in a first degree
>>> misdemeanor criminal charge and a fine up to $5,000. Similar consequences
>>> hold in Tennessee.  On a related note, I was told that Florida in particular
>>> is cracking down on people who mistakenly think that taking options on
>>> properties constitutes taking an ownership interest and therefore excludes
>>> them from needing to be licensed.
>>>
>>> What constitutes practicing real estate?  Each state has its own
>>> definition, but in general almost every activity connected with a real
>>> estate transaction, including negotiating a purchase or sale, or soliciting
>>> buyers and sellers, when performed for compensation, a commission, or a fee,
>>> or in the expectation of same, constitutes practicing real estate.
>>>
>>> Your contention that you can?t find any information anywhere that states
>>> that ?strictly pricing? a home is an act of real estate reserved only for
>>> brokers does have merit, however.  In fact, that practice is reserved
>>> primarily for licensed appraisers.  Although you call what you want to do
>>> ?strictly pricing? the home by finding the FMV, you are finding the FMV by
>>> conducting a 5-day sale.   Conducting a 5-day sale for a fee, while it may
>>> result in finding the FMV, is not the equivalent to ?strictly pricing? the
>>> home.  It IS the equivalent to practicing real estate.
>>>
>>> All of this is solely my take on the issues.  A forum such as this is
>>> great for sharing perspectives, tips, opinions, experiences, and so on.  If
>>> you want more, and if you are still actively licensed in one of the states
>>> mentioned, the best place to get free legal analysis is through your
>>> association?s legal hotline.  If you are not actively licensed, the other
>>> free alternative is to contact the respective departments of licensing in
>>> the states where you intend to conduct your 5 Day Pricings.  The only place
>>> to get actual and actionable legal advice, covered by malpractice insurance,
>>> is from a lawyer who provides it to you, as a client, for a fee.
>>>
>>> Good luck in your quest for clarification.  It sounds as though you?ve
>>> spent some time and effort looking into this.  If it turns out that 5-day
>>> Pricings can be conducted in such a way that licensing is not required,
>>> there are loads of people around the country who would be interested in
>>> conducting them commercially in their areas and in hearing how to structure
>>> them to avoid prosecution.  This could lead to a book for you, or even a
>>> franchise, if you come up with the right approach.
>>>
>>> Keep us posted.
>>>
>>> Jim F ? Realtor
>>> Vancouver WA
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  *From:* 5-dayforum-bounces+jamesfleming.realestate=gmail.com@
>>> mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com [mailto:
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>>> Brown
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:42 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* 5-dayforum at howtosellyourhomein5days.com
>>> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Acting as a "pricing consultant"
>>>
>>>  Thanks to all for the comments. I have been a broker in Tennessee,
>>> Texas and Florida. So i understand license law...my only question here was:
>>> are we really "negotiating the sales price" for the seller by finding the
>>> FMV of their home?? I cant find any information anywhere that states that
>>> "strictly pricing" a home is an act of real estate reserved only for us
>>> lofty brokers?? We don't assist anymore after the price is reached at the
>>> end of the 5 days...The seller and possible buyer consummate their own deal!
>>> The highest bidder is not necessarily the Buyer in this case...its up to the
>>> seller to find his buyer and close the deal after the FMV is reached...As
>>> Mr. Bill O'Reilly says: Am I wrong? Thanks to you all again!
>>>
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From chimaera86 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 00:40:54 2010
From: chimaera86 at gmail.com (Jason Jodway)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:40:54 -0500
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What sort of impact might saying that seller financing is available have on
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From janetislight at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 08:58:48 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:58:48 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Seller Financing
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If people are looking for seller financing, generally they do not qualify  
for a conforming loan.  Not always, but most times.  I have negotiated  some 
of these deals, that always fell a part at the last minute, but the price  
was always higher that I would have sold to someone who could completely pay 
me  out.  This is just my personal opinion and experience.  Others on here  
have had great success.
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 12:12:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
chimaera86 at gmail.com writes:

What  sort of impact might saying that seller financing is available have 
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From rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  Thu Jan 21 09:58:04 2010
From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com (Rosemarie Belcher)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:58:04 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Seller Financing
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There are so many variables here that the answer is impossible. I did a sale where some of the people asked me about seller-financing, and I told them to put it in their bid. They bid more than anyone, and included a down payment & monthly payment in their bid. Unfortunately, others saw the high price and did not want to bid, as that price was too high for them. Since they were the high bidder, I called them first and they really could not afford what they had written down. If I had it to do again, I would not include a bid like that. Maybe have a separate sheet for that sort of offer.

I think it helps to remember that the 5-day sale is a marketing system. All the other stuff - financing, terms, settlement, closing, etc., is just like any other sale. People often ask about seller financing anyway. If you advertise it you may attract people who really can't afford to buy a house, and you may end up like the banks, with a bad loan!

If you try it, please let us know if it works for you. Would you include it in the ad? Or mention it during the sale? Or put it on a sign?

My rambling here (sorry!) leads me to have the opinion that you are better off just going with the sale in the normal way, then negotiate, or offer financing to your high bidder if that's what you want to do. You should be able to get a higher price.
Good luck!
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From maguirecc at bellsouth.net  Thu Jan 21 17:05:57 2010
From: maguirecc at bellsouth.net (GREG MAGUIRE)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:05:57 -0800 (PST)
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Hello- I just finished reading the book- and read it again. Is there anyone out there in forum who has done this 5- day sale in 2009 or 2010.?I need to ask some questions. I would really need a consultant to help me or an agent. Help!!!!!??? thanks, Crystal.
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From janetislight at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 19:10:02 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:10:02 EST
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Crystal,
 
There are several of us on here who have conducted a 5-day sale, and others 
 who want to be consultants in this field.  I'm sure one of them will  
respond... the consultants.  However, if you step by step the book, you  
shouldn't really need one.  Maybe just shoot out your questions to the  forum and 
we all will do our best.  Very nice, helpful and realistic people  here.
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 4:14:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
maguirecc at bellsouth.net writes:

 
Hello- I just finished reading the book- and read it again. Is there  
anyone out there in forum who has done this 5- day sale in 2009 or  2010. I need 
to ask some questions. I would really need a consultant to  help me or an 
agent. Help!!!!!    thanks, Crystal.



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From barrettai at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 20:21:53 2010
From: barrettai at aol.com (barrettai at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:21:53 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] who has done one  or more -  5day sales
Message-ID: <183b4.4d9a411a.388a57b1@aol.com>

Lots of free advice on _www.AuctionBySeller.com_ 
(http://www.AuctionBySeller.com) 
 
Kyle
_www.AuctionByBuilder.com_ (http://www.AuctionByBuilder.com)  
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 3:15:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
maguirecc at bellsouth.net writes:

 
Hello- I just finished reading the book- and read it again. Is there  
anyone out there in forum who has done this 5- day sale in 2009 or  2010. I need 
to ask some questions. I would really need a consultant to  help me or an 
agent. Help!!!!!    thanks, Crystal.



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From rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  Thu Jan 21 22:58:05 2010
From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com (Rosemarie Belcher)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:58:05 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] who has done one  or more -  5day sales
References: <183b4.4d9a411a.388a57b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41C79BEBDBEE462F943E105583E49EAA@rosemarifv6onv>

Send your questions here & we will do our best. You can do this. Where are you? Someone may be near you and be able to offer local advice, if that is what you need. The book really has all the answers.
Rosemarie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: barrettai at aol.com 
  To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] who has done one or more - 5day sales


  Lots of free advice on www.AuctionBySeller.com

  Kyle
  www.AuctionByBuilder.com 

  In a message dated 1/21/2010 3:15:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, maguirecc at bellsouth.net writes:
    Hello- I just finished reading the book- and read it again. Is there anyone out there in forum who has done this 5- day sale in 2009 or 2010. I need to ask some questions. I would really need a consultant to help me or an agent. Help!!!!!    thanks, Crystal.


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From crmahar at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 19:41:12 2010
From: crmahar at gmail.com (Christine Mahar)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:41:12 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] burning my bridges
Message-ID: <52b3dfe71001211641o469c6365la12c53d7bdb1d19b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going for the 5-day sale; but I still owe $165,000 on my home and I
worry that if I don't get a bid on the sale to cover my loan, I will have
ruined my chances of putting it up for sale again.  Thanks!
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From maguirecc at bellsouth.net  Fri Jan 22 11:14:49 2010
From: maguirecc at bellsouth.net (GREG MAGUIRE)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:14:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] who has done one  or more -  5day sales
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Hi Rosemarie, Thanks for a response- I live in Murfreesboro,TN. about 30 miles south of Nashville- do you know anyone in the area that can consult and help w/ open house 2 days. Its the Round Robin that worries me the most-keeping everything straight and fair.

My home shows like a model,very clean,great neighborhood,3290 sq.ft. good locaton in town and we own corner lot next door- for sale too.? Help!!!Help!! 
________________________________
From: Rosemarie Belcher <rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com>
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days <5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 9:58:05 PM
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] who has done one or more - 5day sales


Send your questions here & we will do our best. You can do this. Where are you? Someone may be near you and be able to offer local advice, if that is what you need. The book really has all the answers.
Rosemarie
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: barrettai at aol.com 
>To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 
>Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] who has done one or more - 5day sales
>
>Lots of free advice on www.AuctionBySeller.com
>
>Kyle
>www.AuctionByBuilder.com 
>
>In a message dated 1/21/2010 3:15:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, maguirecc at bellsouth.net writes:
>Hello- I just finished reading the book- and read it again. Is there anyone out there in forum who has done this 5- day sale in 2009 or 2010.?I need to ask some questions. I would really need a consultant to help me or an agent. Help!!!!!??? thanks, Crystal.
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From maguirecc at bellsouth.net  Fri Jan 22 11:21:15 2010
From: maguirecc at bellsouth.net (GREG MAGUIRE)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:21:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] who has done one  or more -  5day sales
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HI- Thanks for response. Does anyone experienced live in Tennessee, we are 30 miles south of Nashville,TN in town of Murfreesboro,TN.? It is the Round Robin that spooks me, all the calls and keeping them straight and fair.Our home show like a model,very clean,good location .I do not have a ny family here-except one and she works,single mom and husband can't either. So I guess I need some help.
Let me know what you think?? I am at this alone..? thanks.crystal


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From: "janetislight at aol.com" <janetislight at aol.com>
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 6:10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] who has done one or more - 5day sales

Crystal,

There are several of us on here who have conducted a 5-day sale, and others who want to be consultants in this field.? I'm sure one of them will respond... the consultants.? However, if you step by step the book, you shouldn't really need one.? Maybe just shoot out your questions to the forum and we all will do our best.? Very nice, helpful and realistic people here.

Janet

In a message dated 1/21/2010 4:14:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, maguirecc at bellsouth.net writes:
Hello- I just finished reading the book- and read it again. Is there anyone out there in forum who has done this 5- day sale in 2009 or 2010.?I need to ask some questions. I would really need a consultant to help me or an agent. Help!!!!!??? thanks, Crystal.
>
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From rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 22 12:36:14 2010
From: rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com (Rosemarie Belcher)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:36:14 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] burning my bridges
References: <52b3dfe71001211641o469c6365la12c53d7bdb1d19b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C31B4C67B3034BDDAF6519D7B4D30B91@rosemarifv6onv>

Part of the success of this is your attitude! Confidence! You WILL sell your house on Sunday.
I am puzzled by the thought that doing this would have any effect on future selling. I don't think you should concentrate on that even enough to explain it!
In the event that your bids are not enough, you can choose to let the bank bid on it (short sell it, but this will affect your credit), or hold off and try again or put it on the market. Having a 5-day sale should not change any of the options. But we have to think positive!
Go for it!
Rosemarie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Christine Mahar 
  To: 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:41 PM
  Subject: [5-DayForum] burning my bridges


  I'm going for the 5-day sale; but I still owe $165,000 on my home and I worry that if I don't get a bid on the sale to cover my loan, I will have ruined my chances of putting it up for sale again.  Thanks! 


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From janetislight at aol.com  Fri Jan 22 18:17:19 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:17:19 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] burning my bridges
Message-ID: <1680a.c7f0118.388b8bff@aol.com>

Not at all!  You wouldn't have burned a bridge, you can still list it  
after the sale IF it is unsuccessful, but it WILL BE!!!!!
 
Keep the faith,
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2010 8:35:27 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
crmahar at gmail.com writes:

I'm  going for the 5-day sale; but I still owe $165,000 on my home and I 
worry that  if I don't get a bid on the sale to cover my loan, I will have 
ruined my  chances of putting it up for sale again.   Thanks!

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From janetislight at aol.com  Fri Jan 22 18:24:05 2010
From: janetislight at aol.com (janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:24:05 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] who has done one  or more -  5day sales
Message-ID: <16ab1.257eb800.388b8d95@aol.com>

Ok.  If this is the case, then you need greeters.  And it is  soooo very 
easy to keep everything straight with the forms available for  download on the 
web site.
 
Greeters can be and friend or neighbor.  You can pay them a token for  
giving their time.  Maybe take them out to dinner too.  You know,  friend thanks 
kind of stuff.
 
With the round robin, your list will drop dramatically during the first  
round.  People who really aren't interested or those that cannot afford the  
full price of your property.  Take a deep breath.  I am single and had  three 
people help me.  All they asked for was to share a couple of  pizzas.
 
You can do this.  Just start getting your items together and you will  get 
a great feel for the process as you move through it.  We have even  gotten 
play by plays on here during a sale and many responded.
 
Greatest of luck to you,
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2010 10:22:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
maguirecc at bellsouth.net writes:

 


HI-  Thanks for response. Does anyone experienced live in Tennessee, we are 
30  miles south of Nashville,TN in town of Murfreesboro,TN.  It is the 
Round  Robin that spooks me, all the calls and keeping them straight and 
fair.Our  home show like a model,very clean,good location .I do not have a ny 
family  here-except one and she works,single mom and husband can't either. So I 
guess  I need some help.
Let  me know what you think?? I am at this alone..  thanks.crystal

 
____________________________________
 From: "janetislight at aol.com"  <janetislight at aol.com>
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 6:10:02  PM
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum]  who has done one or more - 5day sales

Crystal,
 
There are several of us on here who have conducted a 5-day sale, and  
others who want to be consultants in this field.  I'm sure one of them  will 
respond... the consultants.  However, if you step by step the book,  you 
shouldn't really need one.  Maybe just shoot out your questions to  the forum and 
we all will do our best.  Very nice, helpful and realistic  people here.
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 4:14:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
maguirecc at bellsouth.net writes:

 
Hello- I just finished reading the book- and read it again. Is there  
anyone out there in forum who has done this 5- day sale in 2009 or  2010. I need 
to ask some questions. I would really need a consultant to  help me or an 
agent. Help!!!!!    thanks,  Crystal.



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From sash at hamburgerlaw.com  Sat Jan 23 12:56:33 2010
From: sash at hamburgerlaw.com (Sharron Ash)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:56:33 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] burning my bridges
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Rosemarie is right.  I've done many five day sales in NY, and there are times when the price you get on one weekend just isn't enough.  But the safety net is that you can always put it on the market, using a conventional realtor/MLS listing.  No harm done.  So get your confidence up, get your ducks in a row, and get ready to have fun selling your home!
 

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From: Rosemarie Belcher [mailto:rosemarie-fred at mindspring.com]
Sent: Fri 1/22/2010 12:36 PM
To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] burning my bridges


Part of the success of this is your attitude! Confidence! You WILL sell your house on Sunday.
I am puzzled by the thought that doing this would have any effect on future selling. I don't think you should concentrate on that even enough to explain it!
In the event that your bids are not enough, you can choose to let the bank bid on it (short sell it, but this will affect your credit), or hold off and try again or put it on the market. Having a 5-day sale should not change any of the options. But we have to think positive!
Go for it!
Rosemarie

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Christine Mahar <mailto:crmahar at gmail.com>  
	To: 5-DayForum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com 
	Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:41 PM
	Subject: [5-DayForum] burning my bridges

	I'm going for the 5-day sale; but I still owe $165,000 on my home and I worry that if I don't get a bid on the sale to cover my loan, I will have ruined my chances of putting it up for sale again.  Thanks! 

	
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From crmahar at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 10:14:00 2010
From: crmahar at gmail.com (Christine Mahar)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:14:00 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Finding a settlement agent
Message-ID: <52b3dfe71001270714k3d330b9u73cfda7dfdb3ab21@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone had experience with agents in the Atlanta/Greenville,SC areas?
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From Rachel at gatewaytitle.com  Wed Jan 27 12:22:03 2010
From: Rachel at gatewaytitle.com (Rachel Torchia)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:22:03 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] Finding a settlement agent
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Please call local title agencies. They can guide you on that.

Rachel

Gateway Title

Cleveland, Ohio

 

________________________________

From: Christine Mahar [mailto:crmahar at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:14 AM
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
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Has anyone had experience with agents in the Atlanta/Greenville,SC
areas?  Please let me know.  THANKS, Chris Mahar 

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From icleanwindows at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 16:55:41 2010
From: icleanwindows at yahoo.com (Ron Hershberger)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:55:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] What media shall I use?
Message-ID: <474368.14237.qm@web46014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Are there any 5-Day folks that have had experience with sales in the St Louis metro area?? What media outlets did you use effectively?? Do you have any suggestions regarding internet options?? Thanks


      
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From 4everleigh at svcable.net  Tue Jan 26 16:34:18 2010
From: 4everleigh at svcable.net (Annette Leigh)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:34:18 -0500
Subject: [5-DayForum] list of home sellers
Message-ID: <C784CA0A.488A%4everleigh@svcable.net>

Hello:

I would like to read or talk to successful sellers using the 5 day method of
selling.  Thank you.  Lady L     hopeudance at svcable.net


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From: dm_figuracion at comcast.net (dm_figuracion at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:32:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [5-DayForum] (no subject)
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Hi, 

I am in the Tacoma/Gig harbor Wa area, I am going to sell my house using this "time tested" avenue.? I have questions for anyone who has done this in my area.? I am wondering if you were successful and any "pitfaal" I may need to look for.? I had a friend who did this and she sold a house in? Delaware? about 5 years ago. 



Thanking you in advanced 






D'Arcy 



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From Janetislight at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 19:58:25 2010
From: Janetislight at aol.com (Janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:58:25 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] list of home sellers
Message-ID: <1bafd.4f6fca57.38938cb1@aol.com>

We are all here... just ask!
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2010 3:18:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
4everleigh at svcable.net writes:

Hello:

I would like to read or talk to successful sellers  using the 5 day method 
of
selling.  Thank you.  Lady L    hopeudance at svcable.net

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From rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com  Sat Jan 30 06:59:23 2010
From: rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com (Raymond Chou)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:59:23 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction
Message-ID: <000001caa1a3$aa725040$8301a8c0@RHC>

Is there anyone conducting a 5 day auction in the near future, in the
Midwest area?  I would like to observe an auction before I do one myself.

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From Janetislight at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 20:47:44 2010
From: Janetislight at aol.com (Janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:47:44 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction
Message-ID: <134ac.7e0f8958.38963b40@aol.com>

Where in the Midwest?  I won't be doing for another month or so, but I  
would sure welcome you as a greeter!  Pizza would be included for both  days.  
I can even do the round robin at the house so you can see that work  as well.
 
Janet
 
P.S.  We don't like to use the word "auction" but 5-day sale.   ;)
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2010 8:48:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com writes:

 
Is there anyone conducting a 5 day  auction in the near future, in the 
Midwest  area?  I would like to observe an auction before I do one  myself.


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From plmonte2007 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 20:58:06 2010
From: plmonte2007 at yahoo.com (PLM)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:58:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction
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please delete me from your list



--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Janetislight at aol.com <Janetislight at aol.com> wrote:

From: Janetislight at aol.com <Janetislight at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 7:47 PM



 

Where in the Midwest?? I won't be doing for another month or so, but I 
would sure welcome you as a greeter!? Pizza would be included for both 
days.? I can even do the round robin at the house so you can see that work 
as well.
?
Janet
?
P.S.? We don't like to use the word "auction" but 5-day sale.? 
;)
?
?
?

In a message dated 1/30/2010 8:48:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com writes:

  
  Is there anyone conducting a 5 day 
  auction in the near future, in the Midwest 
  area?? I would like to observe an auction before I do one 
  myself.

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From BarrettAI at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 11:37:04 2010
From: BarrettAI at aol.com (BarrettAI at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:37:04 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction
Message-ID: <5849.5e0dce3f.38970bb0@aol.com>

You can observe a University of Denver video case study of a successful 5  
Day Sale/Auction on _www.AuctionBySeller.com_ 
(http://www.AuctionBySeller.com)  
 
Kyle
_www.AuctionByBuilder.com_ (http://www.AuctionByBuilder.com)  
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2010 6:48:21 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
Janetislight at aol.com writes:

Where in the Midwest?  I won't be doing for another month or so, but  I 
would sure welcome you as a greeter!  Pizza would be included for both  days.  
I can even do the round robin at the house so you can see that  work as well.
 
Janet
 
P.S.  We don't like to use the word "auction" but 5-day sale.   ;)
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2010 8:48:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com writes:

 
Is there anyone conducting a 5  day auction in the near future, in the 
Midwest area?  I would like to observe an auction  before I do one  myself.


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From dm_figuracion at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 18:57:33 2010
From: dm_figuracion at comcast.net (D'Arcy Figuracion)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:57:33 -0800
Subject: [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction
In-Reply-To: <5849.5e0dce3f.38970bb0@aol.com>
References: <5849.5e0dce3f.38970bb0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001caa2d1$291c1010$7b543030$@net>

Again, this Auction is not how the 5 day sale is run.  I am really confused
by all of this email, it does not appear to be how the book outlines a 5 day
sale.  I would really like to know any information about a 5 day sale in the
Tacoma/Gig Harbor WA area.  I would like to hear from people who did this
without the use of a consultant, or an auction.  I am really second guessing
whether this book holds true to what it is selling.  D'Arcy

 

From: BarrettAI at aol.com [mailto:BarrettAI at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:37 AM
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction

 

You can observe a University of Denver video case study of a successful 5
Day Sale/Auction on www.AuctionBySeller.com 

 

Kyle

www.AuctionByBuilder.com 

 

In a message dated 1/30/2010 6:48:21 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
Janetislight at aol.com writes:

Where in the Midwest?  I won't be doing for another month or so, but I would
sure welcome you as a greeter!  Pizza would be included for both days.  I
can even do the round robin at the house so you can see that work as well.

 

Janet

 

P.S.  We don't like to use the word "auction" but 5-day sale.  ;)

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/30/2010 8:48:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,
rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com writes:

Is there anyone conducting a 5 day auction in the near future, in the
Midwest area?  I would like to observe an auction before I do one myself.



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From Janetislight at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 19:26:09 2010
From: Janetislight at aol.com (Janetislight at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:26:09 EST
Subject: [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction
Message-ID: <120e9.399a44c6.389779a1@aol.com>

I watched a case study video at this site, and it really did follow the  
book's process.  And the owner had a high end valuation of his property at  
150,000, and received 149,900.  Shazam!!!  Another success  story.  BTW, I 
went to Auction By Seller Link. I had a 5-day sale and sold  my house.  Many on 
here have sold houses this way.  I guess the best  place to start 
unraveling your confusion is to state specifically how you feel  the processes differ.
 
Janet
 
 
In a message dated 1/31/2010 5:57:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
dm_figuracion at comcast.net writes:

 
Again,  this Auction is not how the 5 day sale is run.  I am really 
confused by  all of this email, it does not appear to be how the book outlines a 5 
day  sale.  I would really like to know any information about a 5 day sale 
in  the Tacoma/Gig Harbor WA area.  I would like to hear from people who did  
this without the use of a consultant, or an auction.  I am really second  
guessing whether this book holds true to what it is selling.   D?Arcy 
 
 
From: BarrettAI at aol.com  [mailto:BarrettAI at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:37  AM
To:  5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re:  [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction

 
You  can observe a University of Denver video case study of a successful 5 
Day  Sale/Auction on _www.AuctionBySeller.com_ 
(http://www.auctionbyseller.com/)   
 

 
Kyle
 
_www.AuctionByBuilder.com_ (http://www.auctionbybuilder.com/)   
 

 
 
In a  message dated 1/30/2010 6:48:21 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
Janetislight at aol.com writes:

 
Where  in the Midwest?  I won't be doing for another month or so, but I 
would  sure welcome you as a greeter!  Pizza would be included for both  days.  
I can even do the round robin at the house so you can see that  work as 
well.
 

 
Janet
 

 
P.S.   We don't like to use the word "auction" but 5-day sale.   ;)
 

 

 

 
 
In  a message dated 1/30/2010 8:48:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com writes:

 
Is  there anyone conducting a 5 day auction in the near future, in the  
Midwest  area?  I would like to observe an auction before I do one  myself.


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From scottarose1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 19:30:34 2010
From: scottarose1 at gmail.com (Scott Rose)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:30:34 -0700
Subject: [5-DayForum] Your confirmation is required to join the 5-DayForum
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please add me to your 5-day sale forum.

Thanks

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From rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com  Sun Jan 31 12:04:19 2010
From: rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com (Raymond Chou)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:04:19 -0600
Subject: [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction
In-Reply-To: <134ac.7e0f8958.38963b40@aol.com>
References: <134ac.7e0f8958.38963b40@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001901caa297$6e6080a0$fc82a8c0@RHC>

Sorry for the misnomer, I am learning already.  I am based in Chicago, but I
am pretty flexible.  Can you email me with details?  Email:
rhc2370 at gmail.com

 

  _____  

From: Janetislight at aol.com [mailto:Janetislight at aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:48 PM
To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Looking to observe an auction

 

Where in the Midwest?  I won't be doing for another month or so, but I would
sure welcome you as a greeter!  Pizza would be included for both days.  I
can even do the round robin at the house so you can see that work as well.

 

Janet

 

P.S.  We don't like to use the word "auction" but 5-day sale.  ;)

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/30/2010 8:48:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,
rchou at urbansolutionsllc.com writes:

Is there anyone conducting a 5 day auction in the near future, in the
Midwest area?  I would like to observe an auction before I do one myself.



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