[5-DayForum] Craigslist drama -- Best of
Joyce Carpenter
joiceanne at msn.com
Sun Jun 10 14:42:37 EDT 2007
Hi Kimberly,
Can you think of a neighbor or anyone in your neighborhood that would get
upset by you doing this and saying "you're low balling?" It sounds like it
might be a neighbor to me. If I already have said this, don't pay any
attention. Getting old makes you fuzzy! Don't let some "complainer" get
you down. You're doing so well.
Have you or anyone heard about Steve's house this weekend? I think he was
doing at the same
time as you.
Joyce
>From: "Kimberly Gildroy" <volleybabe44.klg at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: How To Sell Your Home in
>5-Days<5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>To: "How To Sell Your Home in
>5-Days"<5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Craigslist drama -- Best of
>Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:04:43 -0700
>
>Thanks, Bill! A lull in visitors right now, only 2 so far, but same thing
>as yesterday and still getting calls.
>
>What does the "best of" status do for a Craigslist ad? I have no clue and
>would be interested to know how it affects the ads. I haven't paid
>attention to anything except the flagging for negative ads. Interesting
>idea you have to get everyone's support in doing this for the ad!
>
>Kimberly G.
>Edmonds, WA (Seattle area)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Effros
> To: How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Craigslist drama -- Best of
>
>
> I have not been able to get through to the Craigslist community due to
>the shear volume on Craigslist.
>
> I would like to use Kimberly's ad as a vehicle to open the discussion.
>If that does not work, I will start posting about the 5-Day Method directly
>onto Craigslist, and ask others to help.
>
> What Kimberly and her husband are doing is not spam, and it's not wrong.
> We can all understand a phone conversation going badly in the crush of
>everything else going on during a 5-Day Sale. But we've got to put things
>right, and Kimberly certainly doesn't have the time to do that right now.
>
> Here is Kimberly's ad (I hope):
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/rfs/348958334.html
>
> I have flagged it as "Best Of" and ask others to do the same. A few
>clicks is all it should take. Let's see if we can get anyone's attention,
>and bring this matter into the open on Craigslist so everyone knows where
>we are coming from, and where we are going.
>
> Kimberly does not upset easily, but this event was upsetting,
>none-the-less. She was able to recover, but she should never have been put
>into that situation, by me, by Craigslist, by the person who flagged her
>ad, or by anyone else. For my part, I want to make sure it never happens
>again.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> Bill Effros wrote:
> Thanks, Kimberly for posting again,
>
> Let's not take time now to hash this out, you've got other fish to
>fry.
>
> I see your revised ad. I'll be watching your back.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> Kimberly Gildroy wrote:
> Hi Joyce,
>
> We had an incident yesterday where someone called and decided we
>were lying in our ad because we weren't selling at $299,500 as advertised
>(it says $299,500 or Highest Acceptable Offer), told us we are "low
>balling" just to get people to our house and proceeded to flag our ad for
>removal and put his own ad on stating for everyone to beware of our ad and
>that we were a scam.
>
> I just reposted with a new heading and the same ad, will see how
>long it stays on there. Didn't feel like it last night, but this morning I
>do.
>
> https://accounts.craigslist.org/post/shwpst?pii=349164253&db=lv
>
> OLD HEADING: EDMONDS!! $299,500 or HIGHEST ACCEPTABLE BID THIS
>WEEKEND! 4BR Remodeled 3/4 acre
> NEW HEADING: EDMONDS... accepting bids until 5 PM this evening...
>acreage, remodel
>
> I wondered about the word "acceptable" before I used it, thinking
>that people may read it and think, "oh, if I bid this or that, you won't
>think it's (I'm) acceptable?" and take it personally, and I think this is
>what happened with this person. He was told it is an acceptable bid, but
>the house will not selling for that amount, the bids will go up beyond
>that, and didn't like that at all. My husband handled that phone call and
>thinks he didn't handle it well, but I personally think the guy was looking
>to argue and find it as a scam no matter what if he wasn't able to come buy
>it for $299,500 when he called.
>
> And, that's the scoop on the Craigslist drama.
>
> One more hour and our showings start again, but today it's not
>raining like yesterday; just a little cloudy, the birds are singing, the
>sun is out, the wind is gently blowing the leaves and the chimes are
>ringing, the bunnies are playing... it's a good day. :)
>
> Kimberly G.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joyce Carpenter
> To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Zillow
>
>
> Bill,
>
> What recently happened to "one of our own" on the craigslist.com?
>
>
> >From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> >Reply-To: How To Sell Your Home in
> >5-Days<5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >To: How To Sell Your Home in
> >5-Days<5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Zillow
> >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:26:48 -0400
> >
> >Jack,
> >
> >Let's get back to this next week. If Zillow is good for home
>sellers I'm
> >for it. If it hurts, I'm not. Craigslist just hurt one of our
>own. If I
> >can't get that straightened out, I will stop recommending
>Craigslist.
> >
> >No matter how I figure it, Zillow looks like a site designed to
>sell
> >advertising based on it's ability to provide information I don't
>believe
> >anyone can provide. There is a site here in NYC called "Property
>Shark"
> >that really delivers the goods. They simply give you all the raw
>public
> >information, and allow you to interpret it. Wow! Is that
>valuable!
> >
> >Zillow claims it's "Zestimates" are within 10%. But that's 10%
>plus or
> >minus, so it's really a 20% swing. If I told you the 5-Day
>Method might
> >get you a price only 80% of what your home is worth, would you
>use my
> >method? I wouldn't.
> >
> >The buyers all think the Zillow estimate is 10% high, and bid
>accordingly.
> >The sellers all think the Zillow estimate is at least 10% low.
>If they
> >follow the estimate instead of the Method they can't get together
>on a
> >current price.
> >
> >As mentioned previously, the average price for homes in my area
>is $2.5
> >million. So Zillow acknowledges it's estimate could be $500,000
>off on the
> >average Greenwich home. And it is when I look at their
>estimates.
> >
> >This is an eye-popping number, but a 20% error on a lower number
>is just as
> >significant, and perhaps more so, to owners of less expensive
>property.
> >
> >If Zillow gave us the raw data it would be extremely valuable.
>Much of the
> >raw data they give in my case is wrong. The data I get from
>Property Shark
> >is right.
> >
> >I don't like "secret formulas" unless they work. Google's works.
> Zillow's
> >doesn't.
> >
> >Bill Effros
> >
> >
> >
> >JaProe wrote:
> >>No fun defending Zillow, However, you do have an opportunity
>to adjust
> >>the price to more accurately reflect the true value of your
>home. It
> >>becomes a free internet marketing tool with potentially broad
>exposure.
> >>Zillow allows space for pictures and to promote the 5-day sale,
>and space
> >>is provided for the open house/inspection times and dates. If
>one real
> >>buyer is enticed I'll be overjoyed! It may be the one that
>missed
> >>Craigslist!
> >> Good luck on your sale!
> >>Jack P.
> >>Eden Prairie, MN
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* Kimberly Gildroy
><mailto:volleybabe44.klg at verizon.net>
> >> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >> <mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:28 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Zillow
> >>
> >> We had one person mention Zillow today, I agree that it is
>not
> >> accurate. I think the beginning bids we have seen today
>are
> >> reflective of the market as "beginning bids." The top bid
>today
> >> is $30,000 below Zillow's stated price and even though
>people left
> >> lower bids after seeing the high one, they were doing so to
>not
> >> raise the bid any further than the high bid and to not
>indicate
> >> how much they really would be willing to pay and be
>involved in
> >> the round robin. We have yet to see how high it will go,
>but will
> >> be interesting to compare the final high bid with Zillow's
>stated
> >> "value." Kimberly G.
> >> Edmonds, WA (Seattle area)
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* Bill Effros <mailto:bill at effros.com>
> >> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >>
><mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:11 PM
> >> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Zillow
> >>
> >> Agreed.
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >>
> >> In Greenwich, 0 on a scale of 100. Their data base
>makes
> >> errors in the hundreds of thousands of dollars on
>recorded
> >> prices around here. Don't know about anyone else, but
>errors
> >> of that magnitude I can't afford.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve Ehlers wrote:
> >>> Jack,
> >>> Zillow is so far off is isn't even worth
>talking about.
> >>> I've
> >>> checked it against numerous properties
> >>> and it just isn't that credible.
> >>> Maybe in your area it has more credibility,
>but here in
> >>> southwest FL I give it a 2 rating on a scale of 10.
> >>> Steve
> >>> Cape Coral, FL
> >>> Builder
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> *From:* JaProe <mailto:Japro at earthlink.net>
> >>> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >>>
><mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:51 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Writing the Rules
> >>>
> >>> Hi Paul,
> >>> Thanks for your feedback on my approach to the 5
>Day
> >>> sale. I have trepidations about making any change
>at all
> >>> to Bill's method. However, others have reported
>success
> >>> with the minor changes I have incorporated. My
>fear is
> >>> that I give too much info on the website and this
>may
> >>> reduce the calls. Time will tell...
> >>> The realtor's commission is 5% and
>the
> >>>agreement expires
> >>> 1 day after my ads will be placed. What are your
> >>> thoughts about using Zillow?
> >>> Jack P.
> >>> Eden Prairie, MN
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> *From:* Paul Forste <mailto:paul5 at anyol.com>
> >>> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >>>
><mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:22 AM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Writing the Rules
> >>>
> >>> Jack,
> >>> This may be the most
>impressive
> >>>presentation I have
> >>> seen on the Forum so far. Kudos to you and to
>George
> >>> C. for the model. "By the book" it's
>excessive, but
> >>> hey,if it works...? I will be very interested
>in
> >>> seeing your sale results and numbers when they
>come in.
> >>> About the realtor; would you
>mind
> >>>telling us in
> >>> addition to the pizza and cold drink what
>percent
> >>> commission you are comitted to?
> >>> Following your sale with
>great
> >>>interest.
> >>> Paul Forste
> >>> Teaneck, NJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> *From:* JaProe
><mailto:Japro at earthlink.net>
> >>> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >>>
> >>><mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:23 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Writing the
>Rules
> >>>
> >>> Hi Lora,
> >>> We also created a
>website to
> >>>handle the FAQ's. Our website followed
>George
> >>>Cappone's example
> >>> but with different content. If
>interested, you
> >>> can see the website at:
> >>>http://home.earthlink.net/~japro/
> >>> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejapro/> .
>As you
> >>> can see by the price we are hoping to get
> >>> $330,000. The price comes from feedback
>from one
> >>> realtor who showed the house 1 month ago
>(the
> >>> present MLS listing at $367,900 expires
>6/21 and
> >>> our ads at $164,500 will start running on
> >>> 6/20). Our listing agent has 6 homes on
>the
> >>> market now, including his own. There have
>been
> >>> no showings in almost 1 month at any of
>the
> >>> houses! He says it is slow... I told the
>agent
> >>> what we were doing and gave him the "How
>To Sell
> >>> Your Home In 5 Days" book to read. He has
>agreed
> >>> to participate as a greeter at our
>inspection
> >>> June 23rd and 24th and will use the system
>to
> >>> sell his house if we are successful. I
>will
> >>> compensate the agent by buying him a large
>pizza
> >>> with a cold drink!
> >>> We are planning to
>run ads in
> >>>our local BIG
> >>> newspaper the Star Tribune Mon 6/18 to Sun
>6/24.
> >>> The cost was $40 more (total $407) than to run
> >>> from Wed 6/20 to Sun 6/24 and I feel that
>we may
> >>> find interested folks that only read the
>Mon and
> >>> Tues editions. The Star also lists the
>home in
> >>> their online website. I decided to "list"
>the
> >>> house for sale on Zillow.com because they
>not
> >>> only show our house for sale at $164500
>but also
> >>> all the homes that are available in this
>area at
> >>> their full prices. The price contrast is
> >>> impressive and within a day attracted my
>first
> >>> official interested caller! See our
>Zillow ad
> >>> at:
>
> >>>http://www.zillow.com/search/Search.htm?addrstrthood=7043+Park+View+Lane&citystatezip=Eden+Prairie%2C+MN%2C+55346&GOButton=%3CSPAN%3EGO%3C%2FSPAN%3E
> >>>
>
> >>><http://www.zillow.com/search/Search.htm?addrstrthood=7043+Park+View+Lane&citystatezip=Eden+Prairie%2C+MN%2C+55346&GOButton=%3CSPAN%3EGO%3C%2FSPAN%3E>
> >>>. Ads will also run in two weekly papers
>and a
> >>> professionally made sign will be hung on
>the
> >>> realtor's post starting 6/21 (with his
> >>> permission). The sign looks like this:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Home To Be Sold*
> >>>
> >>> *SUNDAY NIGHT TO*
> >>>
> >>> *HIGHEST BIDDER*
> >>>
> >>> INSPECTION SAT. & SUN. 10-6
> >>>
> >>> Phone: 952 949-2336 Web:
>home.earthlink.net/~japro/
> >>>
> >>> Our Craigslist ad is
>similar to
> >>>most others and
> >>> will run starting Wed 6/20. The dots
>almost seem
> >>> to disappear when entered at their
>website. Not
> >>> as fancy as John H's or Kimberly G's but
> >>> hopefully it will do the job
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> EDEN PRAIRIE . . . . . . . . . . BY OWNER
> >>> 4 Bed 3 Bath 2 Car 2497 SqFt on 1/3 Acre
> .
> >>>.Many updates, landscaping, fireplace. . .
>. . . .
> >>>$164,500 or BEST OFFER . . . . . . . . .
>Inspection .
> >>>Sat-Sun 10am-6pm . . . . . .
> >>>http://home.earthlink.net/~japro/.
><http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejapro/>
> >>>. . . . . . Will be sold Sunday Night to .
>. . .
> >>> HIGHEST BIDDER . . . . . . . 952-949-2336
> >>>
> >>> We are really excited about the upcoming
>sale and
> >>>would appreciate any forum folks' ideas and/or suggestions for
>change!
> >>>
> >>> Jack P.
> >>>
> >>> Eden Prairie, MN
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> *From:* Lora Helfer
><mailto:lora at newsongs.org>
> >>> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >>>
> >>><mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:30
>PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Writing
>the Rules
> >>>
> >>> My husband did it. He used one of
>George
> >>> cappone's website as a model.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> *From:* AEllis1968 at aol.com
> >>> <mailto:AEllis1968 at aol.com>
> >>> *To:*
> >>>
> >>>5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> >>>
> >>><mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007
>2:22 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum]
>Writing the
> >>>Rules
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 6/7/2007
>11:18:10 A.M.
> >>> US Mountain Standard Time,
> >>> lora at newsongs.org
> >>> <mailto:lora at newsongs.org> writes:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> We are having our "5-Day" sale
>this
> >>> weekend (with some
>variations). We
> >>> started putting ads in Craig's
>List
> >>> and two major papers in our
>area
> >>> starting this past Sunday. We
>got 30
> >>> calls and e-mails by Wednesday
>(half
> >>> Craig's list and half paper I
>would
> >>> say). As of today we have 34
>people
> >>> who have contacted us and are
> >>> planning on coming this
>weekend. We
> >>> created a website for our home
>and
> >>> listed the website in the
> >>> advertising. We felt this was
> >>> important because we were
>concerned
> >>> that if people who could
>afford our
> >>> home (similar homes in our
>n'hood
> >>> have gone for around $420.000.
> We
> >>> advertised $199.500) saw the
>low
> >>> price they would overlook it
>amongst
> >>> the hundreds that are for sale
>in
> >>> this area right now. We
>reasoned
> >>> that , before dismissing it
>they
> >>> might be curious and quickly
>take
> >>> look at the websit and see
>that it is
> >>> not a "fixer upper" but a very
>nice
> >>> home on a wonderful property.
>Take a
> >>> look:
> >>>http://home.comcast.net/~dhelfer/index.htm
> >>>
> >>><http://home.comcast.net/%7Edhelfer/index.htm>. This
> >>> website has been very helpful
>because
> >>> it saves me alot of time onthe
>phone
> >>> or e-mail. It tells people
>all the
> >>> details about the house and
>how the
> >>> bidding will run. It has been
> >>> interesting to see how many
>people
> >>> use Craig's list around here
>to look
> >>> for homes. One guy lives two
>streets
> >>> over and found our house on
>Craig's
> >>> list. I''ll let you all know
>Monday
> >>> how it went.
> >>> Lora Helfer
> >>> Chelmsford, MA
> >>>
> >>> Lora,
> >>> Who
>did your
> >>>website for you? How much
> >>> did it cost?
> >>>
>Angelique
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>
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