[5-DayForum] Craigslist drama
Joyce Carpenter
joiceanne at msn.com
Sun Jun 10 12:25:44 EDT 2007
Hi Kimberly,
Wishing you a GREAT DAY today!! Sorry to hear about that nasty phone call.
Sounds like it might be a neighbor. Anyway, you Show 'EM! I am so happy
for you just getting this far.
Joyce
>From: "Kimberly Gildroy" <volleybabe44.klg at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: How To Sell Your Home in
>5-Days<5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>To: "How To Sell Your Home in
>5-Days"<5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
>Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Craigslist drama
>Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:05:09 -0700
>
>Hi Joyce,
>
>We had an incident yesterday where someone called and decided we were lying
>in our ad because we weren't selling at $299,500 as advertised (it says
>$299,500 or Highest Acceptable Offer), told us we are "low balling" just to
>get people to our house and proceeded to flag our ad for removal and put
>his own ad on stating for everyone to beware of our ad and that we were a
>scam.
>
>I just reposted with a new heading and the same ad, will see how long it
>stays on there. Didn't feel like it last night, but this morning I do.
>
>https://accounts.craigslist.org/post/shwpst?pii=349164253&db=lv
>
>OLD HEADING: EDMONDS!! $299,500 or HIGHEST ACCEPTABLE BID THIS WEEKEND!
>4BR Remodeled 3/4 acre
>NEW HEADING: EDMONDS... accepting bids until 5 PM this evening... acreage,
>remodel
>
>I wondered about the word "acceptable" before I used it, thinking that
>people may read it and think, "oh, if I bid this or that, you won't think
>it's (I'm) acceptable?" and take it personally, and I think this is what
>happened with this person. He was told it is an acceptable bid, but the
>house will not selling for that amount, the bids will go up beyond that,
>and didn't like that at all. My husband handled that phone call and thinks
>he didn't handle it well, but I personally think the guy was looking to
>argue and find it as a scam no matter what if he wasn't able to come buy it
>for $299,500 when he called.
>
>And, that's the scoop on the Craigslist drama.
>
>One more hour and our showings start again, but today it's not raining like
>yesterday; just a little cloudy, the birds are singing, the sun is out,
>the wind is gently blowing the leaves and the chimes are ringing, the
>bunnies are playing... it's a good day. :)
>
>Kimberly G.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joyce Carpenter
> To: 5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Zillow
>
>
> Bill,
>
> What recently happened to "one of our own" on the craigslist.com?
>
>
> >From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> >Reply-To: How To Sell Your Home in
> >5-Days<5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >To: How To Sell Your Home in
> >5-Days<5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >Subject: Re: [5-DayForum] Zillow
> >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:26:48 -0400
> >
> >Jack,
> >
> >Let's get back to this next week. If Zillow is good for home sellers
>I'm
> >for it. If it hurts, I'm not. Craigslist just hurt one of our own.
>If I
> >can't get that straightened out, I will stop recommending Craigslist.
> >
> >No matter how I figure it, Zillow looks like a site designed to sell
> >advertising based on it's ability to provide information I don't
>believe
> >anyone can provide. There is a site here in NYC called "Property
>Shark"
> >that really delivers the goods. They simply give you all the raw
>public
> >information, and allow you to interpret it. Wow! Is that valuable!
> >
> >Zillow claims it's "Zestimates" are within 10%. But that's 10% plus or
> >minus, so it's really a 20% swing. If I told you the 5-Day Method
>might
> >get you a price only 80% of what your home is worth, would you use my
> >method? I wouldn't.
> >
> >The buyers all think the Zillow estimate is 10% high, and bid
>accordingly.
> >The sellers all think the Zillow estimate is at least 10% low. If they
> >follow the estimate instead of the Method they can't get together on a
> >current price.
> >
> >As mentioned previously, the average price for homes in my area is $2.5
> >million. So Zillow acknowledges it's estimate could be $500,000 off on
>the
> >average Greenwich home. And it is when I look at their estimates.
> >
> >This is an eye-popping number, but a 20% error on a lower number is
>just as
> >significant, and perhaps more so, to owners of less expensive property.
> >
> >If Zillow gave us the raw data it would be extremely valuable. Much of
>the
> >raw data they give in my case is wrong. The data I get from Property
>Shark
> >is right.
> >
> >I don't like "secret formulas" unless they work. Google's works.
>Zillow's
> >doesn't.
> >
> >Bill Effros
> >
> >
> >
> >JaProe wrote:
> >>No fun defending Zillow, However, you do have an opportunity to
>adjust
> >>the price to more accurately reflect the true value of your home. It
> >>becomes a free internet marketing tool with potentially broad
>exposure.
> >>Zillow allows space for pictures and to promote the 5-day sale, and
>space
> >>is provided for the open house/inspection times and dates. If one
>real
> >>buyer is enticed I'll be overjoyed! It may be the one that missed
> >>Craigslist!
> >> Good luck on your sale!
> >>Jack P.
> >>Eden Prairie, MN
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* Kimberly Gildroy <mailto:volleybabe44.klg at verizon.net>
> >> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >> <mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:28 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Zillow
> >>
> >> We had one person mention Zillow today, I agree that it is not
> >> accurate. I think the beginning bids we have seen today are
> >> reflective of the market as "beginning bids." The top bid today
> >> is $30,000 below Zillow's stated price and even though people
>left
> >> lower bids after seeing the high one, they were doing so to not
> >> raise the bid any further than the high bid and to not indicate
> >> how much they really would be willing to pay and be involved in
> >> the round robin. We have yet to see how high it will go, but
>will
> >> be interesting to compare the final high bid with Zillow's stated
> >> "value." Kimberly G.
> >> Edmonds, WA (Seattle area)
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* Bill Effros <mailto:bill at effros.com>
> >> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >> <mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:11 PM
> >> *Subject:* [5-DayForum] Zillow
> >>
> >> Agreed.
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >>
> >> In Greenwich, 0 on a scale of 100. Their data base makes
> >> errors in the hundreds of thousands of dollars on recorded
> >> prices around here. Don't know about anyone else, but errors
> >> of that magnitude I can't afford.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve Ehlers wrote:
> >>> Jack,
> >>> Zillow is so far off is isn't even worth talking
>about.
> >>> I've
> >>> checked it against numerous properties
> >>> and it just isn't that credible.
> >>> Maybe in your area it has more credibility, but
>here in
> >>> southwest FL I give it a 2 rating on a scale of 10.
> >>> Steve
> >>> Cape Coral, FL
> >>> Builder
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> *From:* JaProe <mailto:Japro at earthlink.net>
> >>> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >>> <mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:51 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Writing the Rules
> >>>
> >>> Hi Paul,
> >>> Thanks for your feedback on my approach to the 5 Day
> >>> sale. I have trepidations about making any change at
>all
> >>> to Bill's method. However, others have reported success
> >>> with the minor changes I have incorporated. My fear is
> >>> that I give too much info on the website and this may
> >>> reduce the calls. Time will tell...
> >>> The realtor's commission is 5% and the
> >>>agreement expires
> >>> 1 day after my ads will be placed. What are your
> >>> thoughts about using Zillow?
> >>> Jack P.
> >>> Eden Prairie, MN
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> *From:* Paul Forste <mailto:paul5 at anyol.com>
> >>> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >>>
><mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:22 AM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Writing the Rules
> >>>
> >>> Jack,
> >>> This may be the most impressive
> >>>presentation I have
> >>> seen on the Forum so far. Kudos to you and to
>George
> >>> C. for the model. "By the book" it's excessive, but
> >>> hey,if it works...? I will be very interested in
> >>> seeing your sale results and numbers when they come
>in.
> >>> About the realtor; would you mind
> >>>telling us in
> >>> addition to the pizza and cold drink what percent
> >>> commission you are comitted to?
> >>> Following your sale with great
> >>>interest.
> >>> Paul Forste
> >>> Teaneck, NJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> *From:* JaProe <mailto:Japro at earthlink.net>
> >>> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >>>
> >>><mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:23 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Writing the Rules
> >>>
> >>> Hi Lora,
> >>> We also created a website
>to
> >>>handle the FAQ's. Our website followed George
> >>>Cappone's example
> >>> but with different content. If interested, you
> >>> can see the website at:
> >>>http://home.earthlink.net/~japro/
> >>> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejapro/> . As you
> >>> can see by the price we are hoping to get
> >>> $330,000. The price comes from feedback from
>one
> >>> realtor who showed the house 1 month ago (the
> >>> present MLS listing at $367,900 expires 6/21 and
> >>> our ads at $164,500 will start running on
> >>> 6/20). Our listing agent has 6 homes on the
> >>> market now, including his own. There have been
> >>> no showings in almost 1 month at any of the
> >>> houses! He says it is slow... I told the agent
> >>> what we were doing and gave him the "How To Sell
> >>> Your Home In 5 Days" book to read. He has
>agreed
> >>> to participate as a greeter at our inspection
> >>> June 23rd and 24th and will use the system to
> >>> sell his house if we are successful. I will
> >>> compensate the agent by buying him a large pizza
> >>> with a cold drink!
> >>> We are planning to run ads
>in
> >>>our local BIG
> >>> newspaper the Star Tribune Mon 6/18 to Sun 6/24.
> >>> The cost was $40 more (total $407) than to run
> >>> from Wed 6/20 to Sun 6/24 and I feel that we may
> >>> find interested folks that only read the Mon and
> >>> Tues editions. The Star also lists the home in
> >>> their online website. I decided to "list" the
> >>> house for sale on Zillow.com because they not
> >>> only show our house for sale at $164500 but also
> >>> all the homes that are available in this area at
> >>> their full prices. The price contrast is
> >>> impressive and within a day attracted my first
> >>> official interested caller! See our Zillow ad
> >>> at:
>
> >>>http://www.zillow.com/search/Search.htm?addrstrthood=7043+Park+View+Lane&citystatezip=Eden+Prairie%2C+MN%2C+55346&GOButton=%3CSPAN%3EGO%3C%2FSPAN%3E
> >>>
>
> >>><http://www.zillow.com/search/Search.htm?addrstrthood=7043+Park+View+Lane&citystatezip=Eden+Prairie%2C+MN%2C+55346&GOButton=%3CSPAN%3EGO%3C%2FSPAN%3E>
> >>>. Ads will also run in two weekly papers and a
> >>> professionally made sign will be hung on the
> >>> realtor's post starting 6/21 (with his
> >>> permission). The sign looks like this:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Home To Be Sold*
> >>>
> >>> *SUNDAY NIGHT TO*
> >>>
> >>> *HIGHEST BIDDER*
> >>>
> >>> INSPECTION SAT. & SUN. 10-6
> >>>
> >>> Phone: 952 949-2336 Web:
>home.earthlink.net/~japro/
> >>>
> >>> Our Craigslist ad is
>similar to
> >>>most others and
> >>> will run starting Wed 6/20. The dots almost
>seem
> >>> to disappear when entered at their website. Not
> >>> as fancy as John H's or Kimberly G's but
> >>> hopefully it will do the job
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> EDEN PRAIRIE . . . . . . . . . . BY OWNER
> >>> 4 Bed 3 Bath 2 Car 2497 SqFt on 1/3 Acre
> .
> >>>.Many updates, landscaping, fireplace. . . . . .
>.
> >>>$164,500 or BEST OFFER . . . . . . . . .
>Inspection .
> >>>Sat-Sun 10am-6pm . . . . . .
> >>>http://home.earthlink.net/~japro/.
><http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejapro/>
> >>>. . . . . . Will be sold Sunday Night to . . . .
> >>> HIGHEST BIDDER . . . . . . . 952-949-2336
> >>>
> >>> We are really excited about the upcoming sale
>and
> >>>would appreciate any forum folks' ideas and/or suggestions for
>change!
> >>>
> >>> Jack P.
> >>>
> >>> Eden Prairie, MN
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> *From:* Lora Helfer
><mailto:lora at newsongs.org>
> >>> *To:* How To Sell Your Home in 5-Days
> >>>
> >>><mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:30 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Writing the
>Rules
> >>>
> >>> My husband did it. He used one of George
> >>> cappone's website as a model.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> *From:* AEllis1968 at aol.com
> >>> <mailto:AEllis1968 at aol.com>
> >>> *To:*
> >>>
> >>>5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com
> >>>
> >>><mailto:5-dayforum at mailman.howtosellyourhomein5days.com>
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:22 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [5-DayForum] Writing the
> >>>Rules
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 6/7/2007 11:18:10
>A.M.
> >>> US Mountain Standard Time,
> >>> lora at newsongs.org
> >>> <mailto:lora at newsongs.org> writes:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> We are having our "5-Day" sale this
> >>> weekend (with some variations). We
> >>> started putting ads in Craig's List
> >>> and two major papers in our area
> >>> starting this past Sunday. We got
>30
> >>> calls and e-mails by Wednesday (half
> >>> Craig's list and half paper I would
> >>> say). As of today we have 34 people
> >>> who have contacted us and are
> >>> planning on coming this weekend. We
> >>> created a website for our home and
> >>> listed the website in the
> >>> advertising. We felt this was
> >>> important because we were concerned
> >>> that if people who could afford our
> >>> home (similar homes in our n'hood
> >>> have gone for around $420.000. We
> >>> advertised $199.500) saw the low
> >>> price they would overlook it amongst
> >>> the hundreds that are for sale in
> >>> this area right now. We reasoned
> >>> that , before dismissing it they
> >>> might be curious and quickly take
> >>> look at the websit and see that it
>is
> >>> not a "fixer upper" but a very nice
> >>> home on a wonderful property. Take
>a
> >>> look:
> >>>http://home.comcast.net/~dhelfer/index.htm
> >>>
> >>><http://home.comcast.net/%7Edhelfer/index.htm>. This
> >>> website has been very helpful
>because
> >>> it saves me alot of time onthe phone
> >>> or e-mail. It tells people all the
> >>> details about the house and how the
> >>> bidding will run. It has been
> >>> interesting to see how many people
> >>> use Craig's list around here to look
> >>> for homes. One guy lives two
>streets
> >>> over and found our house on Craig's
> >>> list. I''ll let you all know Monday
> >>> how it went.
> >>> Lora Helfer
> >>> Chelmsford, MA
> >>>
> >>> Lora,
> >>> Who did
>your
> >>>website for you? How much
> >>> did it cost?
> >>> Angelique
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>
> >>><http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>.
> >>>
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